Sen. Reid’s Government-Run Health Plan Requires a Monthly Abortion FeePosted by GOP Leader Press Office on November 19th, 2009
Follow @GOPLeader on Twitter for updates. Just like the original 2,032-page, government-run health care plan from Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s (D-CA), Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s (D-NV) massive, 2,074-page bill would levy a new “abortion premium” fee on Americans in the government-run plan. Beginning on line 7, p. 118, section 1303 under “Voluntary Choice of Coverage of Abortion Services” the Health and Human Services Secretary is given the authority to determine when abortion is allowed under the government-run health plan. Leader Reid’s plan also requires that at least one insurance plan offered in the Exchange covers abortions (line 13, p. 120). What is even more alarming is that a monthly abortion premium will be charged of all enrollees in the government-run health plan. It’s right there beginning on line 11, page 122, section 1303, under “Actuarial Value of Optional Service Coverage.” The premium will be paid into a U.S. Treasury account – and these federal funds will be used to pay for the abortion services. Section 1303(a)(2)(C) describes the process in which the Health Benefits Commissioner is to assess the monthly premiums that will be used to pay for elective abortions under the government-run health plan and for those who are given an affordability credit to purchase insurance coverage that includes abortion through the Exchange. The Commissioner must charge at a minimum $1 per enrollee per month. A majority of Americans believe that health care plans should not be mandated to provide elective abortion coverage, and a majority of Americans do not believe government health care plans should include abortion coverage. Currently, federal appropriations bills include language known as the Hyde Amendment that prohibits the use of federal funds to pay for elective abortions under the Medicare and Medicaid programs, while another provision, known as the Smith Amendment, prohibits federal funding of abortion under the federal employees’ health benefits plan. Leader Reid’s 2,074-page health care monstrosity is an affront to the American people and drastically moves away from current policy. The National Right to Life Committee has called the Reid abortion language “completely unacceptable.” The American people deserve more from their government than being forced to pay for abortion. The pro-life Stupak/Pitts amendment passed the House by a vote of 240 to 194, enjoying the overwhelming support of 176 Republicans and 64 Democrats. The Stupak/Pitts Amendment codifies current law by prohibiting federal funding of elective abortions under any government-run plan or plans available under the Exchange. The Reid plan ignores the will of a bipartisan majority of the House, and indeed the American people, by rejecting this bipartisan amendment. Health care reform should not be used as an opportunity to use federal funds to pay for elective abortions. Health reform should be an opportunity to protect human life – not end it – and the American people agree. House Republicans have offered a common-sense, responsible solution that would reduce health care costs and expand access while protecting the dignity of all human life. The Republican plan, available at HealthCare.GOP.gov, would codify the Hyde Amendment and prohibit all authorized and appropriated federal funds from being used to pay for abortion. And under the Republican plan, any health plan that includes abortion coverage may not receive federal funds. UPDATED: Polls show an overwhelming majority of Americans reject government funding of abortion. This entry was posted on Thursday, November 19th, 2009 at 11:35 am and is filed under Health Care, Life Issues. You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed. You can leave a response, or trackback from your own site. 702 Responses to “Sen. Reid’s Government-Run Health Plan Requires a Monthly Abortion Fee”Leave a Reply |
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November 19th, 2009 at 11:44 am
Please stand with Sen. Coburn and make the whole bill be read before debate on it! I do not and will not pay for elective abortions. Thank you for standing strong for the Americans that are against the government taking over our health care system!
November 19th, 2009 at 11:46 am
As a former U.S. Navy veteran and a Roman Catholic, I will NEVER agree to any abortion fee on any health plan. Why do government officials insist on ignoring their constituents?
November 19th, 2009 at 11:46 am
We’re praying for you Senator. We know you’ll do everything you can to stop this.
November 19th, 2009 at 11:47 am
Its criminal that people that don’t condone this practice have to pay anyways.
November 19th, 2009 at 11:53 am
Thank you for your steadfast support of the pro-life position. It seems this administration is determined to push forward their pro-abortion agenda at the cost of health-care reform. In fact, this seems to be their defining agenda and want to pass abortion funding no matter what the cost. The single-mindedness of the Obama administration on this policy is staggering. Please continue the “good fight”. Know that we are praying for you.
November 19th, 2009 at 11:55 am
This requirement goes against the conscience of all Christians who strongly believe that abortion is the same as murder and that such a requirement will put them in the category of being an accessory to the act as well as forcing them to fully sanction the procedure. If this does stay, as well as the threat of imprisonment for violating the health care mandate, you could see many Christians not sign onto the socialized health care.
November 19th, 2009 at 11:58 am
I used to think these people were insane, but it has become increasingly plain that they are taking away our freedom one step at a time. Legal abortions are disgusting enough without having to be coersed into paying for it. Our religous freedom is almost gone. Everyone I can talk into voting and voting against these socialists may help give them a message. Please continue to keep up the good work. Thanks
November 19th, 2009 at 11:59 am
THROW ME IN JAIL. I WILL NOT PAY THE GOVERNMENT TO KILL BABIES. FORGET ABOUT IT.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
Thank you for this clear statement. Not no, but HELL NO should Americans be forced to pay for euthenizing babies.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
I absolutely oppose Reid’s plan! Do not give in! Abortion is abhorent, and I am completely opposed to helping people pay for this.
I am willing to help pregnant women, in contrast.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
The Dems. only have abortion, union thugs, gay marriage, Ward CHurchill-style academics, and the loopy Hollywood/MSM. They left off being thr party of the working man aftre WW II.
It’s a wonder people elect them to anything.
Bork Congress. 2020-224/224-3121 or soon it will appointing death panels for you.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
It is Appalling to require an Abortion premium from ALL participating in the Government Option. I am vehemently opposed.
If this passes, indeed a sad day in America.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
Read the Bill before the body in it’s full - explain in details the bill. Let the people hear in detail what will happen if this bill becomes Law - - - I still believe that we should be allowed to VOTE
November 19th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
I am 100% opposed to abortion and I agree with Rep. Boehner’s position. HOWEVER, we must not allow this one issue to cloud the fact that this entire legislation is a disaster in the making. I feel that the Dems are setting us up to accept the whole horrible package if they bow to our wishes on abortion funding. We must emphasize the long-term damage to our economy and health care system if this legislation is allowed to pass.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
My taxes being used for things that go against my religion. Hum… somehow i feel like this is Taxation without representation.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
The Republican party needs not focus on “abortion.”
There is a much larger issue; focus on the larger issue.
This government run health care and the taxes associated with the bill needs to “go away!”
The fed needs to get out of Americans lives.
The Republican Party needs to make this go away.
Did you know there is 10.2% documented unemployment in the US. Where is the bill to cut taxes and improve the unemployment figures?
November 19th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
This Bill is BS and needs to be defeated!!!!!
November 19th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
I will not being paying a portion of my income tax if abortions are funded thru my tax dollars. My withohold will be blantant and up-front with a note written on my tax form showing me paying less than what I calculate to pay.
What about Conscience Clause? Same things will apply if anyone is required to participate in an abortion they are against.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Sir,
Thank you for continuing to fight this bloated bill. I too find it “completely unacceptable” to be forced to pay for someone’s abortion, a procedure I equate to murder.
Leslie E. Sexton
TSgt USAF (ret)
Haughton, LA
November 19th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Thanks for your hard work in Washington, representing Ohioans, and being a true conservative voice.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
There is a double-edged sword here that Democrats should pay heed to. The legislation allows the Secretary of HHS to determine when abortion is allowable under the government-run plan, according to the text.
Unless there are other guidelines given to the HHS head in making this determination, under a GOP administration federal funding for abortion could easily be limited to rape,incest and danger to the life of the mother.
Leaving these things wide open in anticipation of getting a political prize you’ve long wanted can ultimately lead to the opposite result when the political tides invariably shift.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
I forget something.
While I am not a Bill Clinton fan, he had it right in 1992: “It’s the economy stupid.”
November 19th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Where do I go to opt out of this portion of the health care bill? I am 100% against abortion (always have been), and I’ll be damned if this “changing” government forces me to contribute to it. Seems like a good time for a stand through civil disobedience. This is an absolute outrage!
November 19th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
When, Obama got elected, and the Dems got a lock on the super majority. The first bill to be passed, should have been one to make it illegal for federal employees to take money from lobbists and their companys. This would fix most true problems over time, but noooooooooooooooooooo. We get the same ole BS, OUT OF THE NEWLY ELECTED REPS.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Kill this bill or it will kill our children and our economy.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
House leader Boehner please keep us updated on this waste of paper.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
It is unconstitutional and immoral for the Federal Government to make me pay for people to kill their children. This is beyond ridiculous and frightening. This entire bill shows how the Federal Government is usurping power from the states. This is NOT a Federal issue, this is something that is supposed to be left to the states under the US Constitution, which Senator Reid and Congresswoman Pelosi swore to uphold.
I can’t believe this bill has gotten this far. It should have been killed in the Congress as utterly wrong.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
I will say this loud and clear. Harry Reid is not a God fearing christian. I know this more than anything in my life. He claims it but it is not so.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
With the National Right to Life group saying this bill is totally unacceptable as written, I wonder what the National Organizaation of Catholic Bishops are going to say?
If there is publicly funded abortions in this bill, then EVERY CATHOLIC should be opposed. EVERY CATHOLIC should write to their respective legislators and let them know that they are opposed.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Any member of congress that votes for this bill or any version of it will be voted our of office next September. We have had enough of this c***!
November 19th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
And so the games have begun AGAIN!!! Despite overwhelming public rejection of the government involvement in paying for abortions, in ANY sneaky way, Reid and the liberals will continue to push it forward, buried in 2000+ pages of gobbly-gook…He will also resort to the blatant misuse of so-called Opt-Out scams, and even distortions of Senate procedures. Like Obama, how low can he go?? Apparently the sewer isn’t too low for the liberals.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
I’m beginning to think that, in addition to gaining complete control over every Americans’ life, the “healthcare reform” bills are for the promotion and widespread acceptance of abortion.
May God have mercy on us all!
November 19th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Don’t back down guys. If it gets ugly, it gets ugly. But this has to be stopped. America is losing her freedoms and it is crippling her. Our economy and unemployment rate are showing it, and discontent among American citizens is palpable. This is not a time for bi-partisen combayah. It is a time to fight for Reagan ideals of personal liberty and smaller govenment. A time to stand strong for what our founders bled for. Despite Obama’s sentiments (2001) they were not “oppressive” by only saying what the government could not do to us. That is the very thing that has made us the greatest nation in the history of the world. Fight for us, and I promise you that I and my family and collegues will fight to support you.
PS: Bring up the discrepency between the original medicare cost estimates and the actual costs. Also the fact that they are fudging the numbers by taxing us and cutting medicare for 10 years and only providing coverage for 6 years. Then telling us some BS number for a 10 year estimate. Make sure that the American people KNOW BOTH of those facts.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
An abortion monthly fee is absolutely unacceptable. How dare the government mandate that I, who am opposed to abortion, a fee to promote the murdering of children!
This is objectionable, reprehensible, and strikes of dictatorship. What’s the next step? Being forced to jail or a fine, if one refuses to pay?
November 19th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
This is an illegal collection of monies by the federal government!
They are only allowed to collect money in the form of taxes, per the United States Constitution.
They are not allowed to set this money into a “fund” to be used for abortion coverage, or any health care coverage for that matter.
In the 1937 “Helvering v. Davis” case in front of the Supreme Court, FDR’s team had to argue that Social Security was not a fund with money set aside, as FDR proclaimed it to be to the people. They had to argue that is was nothing more than a tax on the people to be used in the general fund. That was the ONLY way it would be constitutional.
This will be no different.
It’s just a power grab and a tax increase.
JUST SAY NO!!!
November 19th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
I’d rather go to prison than pay a $1/month for abortion.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
You people in Washington are insane.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
What ever is required must be done to stall the dems health care bill till the 2010 elections. The costs for this messs will break our economy and turn us into a third world economy, just look at CA.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
These people wont quit, until they totally own us, they have got to have all the power they can get their hands on, these democrats have to tax and spend they know no other way. It is a shame they don’t listen to the people of this country, the majority has clearly spoken, they don’t want this fiasco, but the dems are like little spoiled brats,either they get their way or they promise you will be sorry if they dont.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
What can we as Americans do to stop this insanity?!!! Is anyone listening to what we say?
November 19th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Rep. Boehner,
Amen to your blog. As a teacher, I can’t imagine what is in store for us if the Government is now going to pay for murders to take place. If they do this, then they might as well pay for all elective surgeries. Why don’t we pay for something more important like cancer treatments or dialysis treatments. The Almightly God will have no choice but to take His blessings from the USA and allow more terrible things to happen. It’s movements like this that make me want to move to another country. Isn’t that sad. How can we be proud of the USA and have a government that runs things like this? If the Feds can’t keep the mail out of the red, why do they think that they can run a Nation-Wide Healthcare program. In closing, Rep. Boehner, does Congress know that Obama wants to tax YOU! I can’t believe that congressmen will voluntarily accept the brunt of the taxes. Why hasn’t anyone said anything about that? Everyone in Congress makes over $250,000.00 per year. That doesn’t make sense and I can’t believe that Democrats can’t see that. May God bless you in your efforts to get this country back under GOD FEARING CONSERVATIVE, Not Republican, control. Thanks for standing up.
Randy L. Whatley, 6-8 school Teacher in the great state of TEXAS
November 19th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Sir:
Thank you for your continued support for the unborn and your fight against this Government takeover of our health care system. I live in Virginia, and have written numerous times to both Mark Warner and Jim Webb. I get a standard form letter and am sick of it.The voters of Virginia WILL speak again as we did in our govenors race several weeks ago. Perhaps you could influence my two elected senators to see your view.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO MAKE ME BUY SOMETHING OR PAY FOR SOMEONE ELSE’S HEALTHCARE. RIED, PELOSI AND THE REST OF THE THUGS CAN GO TO HELL. NOTE TO ALL PUBLIC SERVANTS, WE WILL GET YOU OUT OF ELECTED OFFICE IF YOU VOTE FOR THIS.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Bury Reid’s Health Care Plan along with the requirement that all tax payers pay for abortions through their taxes. The United States provides for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for all citizens living and those unborn to its citzens.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
I’m perfectly willing to help pregnant women as well, and have in the past supported organizations that help women through their unwanted pregnancies until they give birth and another family adopts the child. But I will not be assessed an ABORTION fee each month. It’s unconstitutional and I’ll try to sue the federal goverment before I go along with this insanity. Harry Reid is way out of line - and hopefully soon out of a job.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Scrap this bill and start over. Tort reform, Sell insurance
across state lines to aid competition, and not allow discrimination against pre existing conditions. Three page bill,would cost taxpayers nothing.
Mr Boehner, keep up the good work!!
November 19th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
I certainly hope there are enough Blue Dog democrats in the Senate that will not allow this crazy thing come to the floor!!! I expect EVERY REPUBLICAN to do everything to stop it as well!!!
November 19th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
This must be how NOBama plans to create jobs! There will be more jails and prisons needed to house the people who say HELL NO! So there will be jobs for constuction and jailers too. What a brilliant idea-NOT!
November 19th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Do you understand the worlds “elective” and “voluntary”?
If not, look them up!
November 19th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Stay Strong Mr. Boehner, America is with you!
November 19th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
The single issue with God is the killing of His unborn children. There will be a terrible price to pay if this becomes the law of the land.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
this is the kind of crap the dems want to hide in their health care nightmare. one republican wants to make the senate read the entire bill before discussion.
Do it. This will upset the dems but I’d bet very few of them have actually read the bill. Good luck on defeating this monstrosity.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
I am the grandfather of an 8 year old beautiful child. At birth, she weighed 17 oz. Today she is perfectly healthy. This child would qualify under some pro choice schemes as a late term abortion (26 weeks). That is my definition of murder. What’s your?
Abortion is just wrong! I will not be forced into paying for government funded abortions. Congressmen/women and senators who vote for these bills deserve to rot in Hell. Is that plain enough?
November 19th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
I have not been an advocate of the healthcare reform proposals so far because of the overwhelming financial burden that will be imposed on tax paying American citizens. This abortion coverage twist just makes it that much more unpalatable. And the insidious way that the language is inserted in a 2000+ page bill is an egregious to not only the will, but the intelligence of American citizens.
Please reject this proposal and let us get back to the federal government doing the will of the people.
Thank you.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
OMG! What the hell are these morons thinking? They have absolutely no right to impose this on the American people. Abortion is murder, plain and simple and I agree with many of these other posts. I follow the laws of God and when government steps on those laws forcing them on us, then it is time to throw them out of office. IMPEACH ALL OF THEM.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
The whole thing is unconstitutional and they are Marxist plain and simple or at the very least pure opportunists scum.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
God has woven each of us in the womb and will not forget us. We cannot forget each of those in the womb either. Fight this abortion component along with the rest of this bill. It will be the moral, spiritual, and economic ruin of the country.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Let me get this straight……my insurance does not cover my birth control pills, but now its going to cover an abortion! What is happening in this country!
November 19th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Let us wake up fellow Americans. We are slipping ever further away from the ideals of liberty and ever closer to the necessity to once more look at the challenges of an oppressive government. Repubilcans and Democrats alike should be aware, the people will not stand for this.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
There are not enough jails available….
November 19th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
A truly disgusting turn of events, but what did you expect?
1) Ignoring current laws
2) Ignoring the beliefs of half the country blatantly.
This clown Reid and Pelosi need to be thrown out of office as soon as possible
November 19th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
My conscience says “go to jail before paying a tax to perform abortions to others” All the health plans should be abolished and just fix the 2 or 3 things that need help such as Tort reform and fraudulent billing to medicare. Do not change the entire system to put a feather in foreigner Obama’s hat.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Oh My Gosh! Now I’m in tears!!! I hope the people who cast their Pity Vote or Backlash Vote last November are happy now! How can this be happening in our gloriously FREE country????
November 19th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
First, I REFUSE to pay for anybody to have an abortion.
BUT…I though because of Roe V Wade, women in this country have the right to have an abortion if they
want to have one, without having to consult the father or anybody else.
So, why, under this bill does the Sec. of HHS have to “determine when an abortion is allowed under the government run health care plan”?????
Doesn’t this sound like they are taking AWAY the womans right to choose???!!!!
November 19th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
I am so very disgusted with Democratic members of Congress forcing this health care issue upon the American taxpayers. It is equally depressing to realize that the average American citizen really cannot do much of anything to stop this impending travesty. Just how has the leadership of our great country become so corrupted and indifferent to the desires of the majority of the electorate. What has happened to the USA that I grew up in?
November 19th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Reid is just as crooked and dishonest as Pelosi
November 19th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
What country is this? I no longer recognize my homeland. When did our ELECTED representatives decide they have the right to act AGAINST the wishes of the majority? Don’t you get it Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid? We do not approve of our tax dollars funding abortion! I am past angry. I am enraged by our Senate and Congress. Enraged. Then when I read this morning that the premiums for the Public Option in the Reid bill will actually be higher than those in the Private Sector, well, that was the last straw for me. If we, the hard working majority, are being compelled to cover health care for those who can’t/won’t cover themselves, then at the very least it should not cost more than what we buy for ourselves. And the whole reason for this Public Option Farce was to LOWER the escalating premiums we are paying now. Not RAISE them. This is outrageous……words escape me. And this crap about loading the taxes into the first half of the decade and the spending into the second half to SKEW the costs is CRIMINAL. My dismay has been growing for about a year and it has finally erupted into full blown anger. I am livid.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
It is unconstitutional to threaten me with jail if I choose not to abandon my religous and moral beliefs and participate in this liberal policy.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
Now I’m pro choice, BUT, You can force the American people to pay into a plan to fund elective abortions, and if the gov’t is going to fund abortions then they should equally fund, abstinence programs and counselling for people to have the baby and put it up for adoption. They can’t have it only one way. Nov. 2010 can not wait.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
I will not pay my taxes.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
Well, it includes abortion funding and a public option, so it should be dead on arrival. That is if Stupak and Snowe mean what they say. I hope the poeple of Nevada give Harry a job he is qualified for - maybe cleaning up dog c*** in downtown Sin City!
November 19th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
Just another nail in the Democrat’s coffin! These people are hell-bent on political suicide. Americans don’t like to be abused by politicians. Can’t wait ’til 2010!!……….
November 19th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Keep up putting out the truth! You need to be louder than the press, get the word out.
I did not serve my great nation and help Iraq build a new government for nothing.
Get the word out we are a government that is “For the people by the people!”
We need term limits, 2 terms only for every office. Then a person can wait a 2 terms and run again. Get the professional lobbying out of government as well would help our law makers make the right decisions.
Jim
November 19th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Thanks John for representing our weakest unborn citizens. Is had to believe there still exist those that still want to treat other human beings as material to bought and sold. I stand with you in defense of the santity of life. I will refuse to pay for any fee or fine for a bill that will ultimately be use to promote a culture of death. I would go to jail first.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Given that thousands of abortions are currently performed anually. Who is paying for them NOW? Is anyone checking with the insurance their employers provide to see if it pays? If they do will the opt out?
Do we care about all abortions or just govt funded ones?
November 19th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
If a women wants an abortion, she should pay for it. No one should be forced/mandated to pay for other people’s choices.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Rep. Boehner,
First I want to state that under the Constitution Article 1, Section 8, the Federal government has no delegated power to pass laws concerning government run health care, period. No excuse to try the ‘General Welfare’ or ‘Necessary and Proper’ phrases either as their meaning have been well documented in several sources (Federalist Papers, Convention debates, etc) This is a direct usurpation (if that’s a word) of power limited by our founding document. From your public comment, I do not believe that you subscribe to this violation of the Constitution, but I feel compelled to state my position in this matter.
Further, there is a power delegated to the Federal government that I am in favor of using. The power to ‘promote’ open trade between the states. I would like to see competition opened up for Insurance companies. That would bring down health care costs!
I am also in favor of health care reform. Simply, remand it to the individual states.
I will NOT pay taxes that fund abortion, no matter the consequence, as it is in direct violation my moral beliefs, which I value more than convenience.
Respectfully,
Bobby Long
November 19th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
As a Roman Catholic I cannot allow myself to be compelled to pay such a tax. The Vatican has been very clear on this issue. The Vatican position is that persons who in any way assist in providing an abortion for someone must immediately excommunicate themselves from the Church. Paying this tax would qualify as such assistance. Now what?
November 19th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Abortion is not euthanasia, euthanasia is generally pain minimal, but abortion is the deliberate bludgining of a human being until he is physically destroyed.
Oh yeah… Surprise! You already pay for abortions they just hide it well by paying for the building, the power, the machine used, and maybe even the doctor. As long as the actual procedure is not funded it is legal. You and I are Planned Parenthood’s biggest contributors.
May G-d have mercy on America as we willingly allow the government to bugden us into destruction.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Sen. Reid pretends to be against abortion, but apparently he doesn’t mean it. This provision is an abomination (like the rest of the health care takeover only more so). Reid must be defeated in 2010!
November 19th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
There are three categories of people who are in such numbers that the freedom-usurping political class get away with such abominations.
They are the Constitutionally ignorant (wilfill and institutional), the apathetic, and those collude in order to receive some money or benefit from government.
The purpose of government is to protect life, liberty, and property. With the host of horrible things this poor excuse for a Congress is passing, life, liberty, and property are all endangered.
What recourse do we, taxpaying citizens, have when all three branches of government are acting unconstitutionally together? The checks and balances are moot! James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, and John C. Calhoun had it right with the concept of nullification.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
I would never personally choose abortion. Ever. However, those who favor it don’t want those children anyway and better for them not to be born than to be born into a bad situation. Those who have half a heart will give them up for adoption. They’ll answer eventually for their choices.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
I too will go to jail before giving the government one red cent toward federally funded abortions. I am more afraid of God than of liberals.
Dems may try, but they will NEVER force this down our throats. Pass it and see! There is not enough room in the jails for all of us who will refuse to comply.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
If a women wants an abortion, she should be responsible to pay for it. NO one should be forced/mandated to pay for other people’s choices.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
Typical effort by the Dem’s to force unacceptable sections of the Health Care Monstrosity on the Public!
The entire Plan should be rejected.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
This is what happens when you let emotions control your vote. Congratulations to everyone that voted for Obama and a Democrat!!
November 19th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
Reid is going to go to hell for this one. His Mormon faith allows Abortion in extreme cases but not elective birth control. It is going to be interesting how he justifies this stand when he goes to church on Sunday.
But I too will not pay for any of this. I will take to the streets in protest and storm offices before I will subject my self to this servitude. HELL NO I WON”T PAY IT.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Harry Reid’s abortion premium” fee has an overriding evil objective. He wants to force those of us who abhor murdering of the innocents to pay for the killing and, thus, be a party to it. Fortunately, there is still a religious clause in the constitution; we do not have to be party to any devilish scheme which goes against our convictions. QuestForRight.com
November 19th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
It is not surprising that these people did this. What is surprising is that they put it in the bill with such clear language. This is a direct challenge to all of us.
Please wake up America. These pople are serious!
November 19th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
This is an absolute disgrace! Republicans and Independents need to fight this bill to the end.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
If a single Republican votes for this monstrosity, I shall leave the party forever. There is absolutely nothing in the Constitution that demands this type of legislation and directly violates my 1st Amendment right by establishing a law that prohibits the free excerise of that religion by forcing me to pay for something expressly against my beliefs. This entire health care reform bill does not reform anything, it is simply a vehicle to allow goverment to control even more intrusively into our lives. This goes too far. The citizens of this country are overwhelming against this and will rise up to protect their freedom.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Congressman Boehner,
If the Republicans are really serious then they need to make crystal clear that not only will they vote against this monstrosity in it’s entirety but should they regain Congress in the next election that they will repeal it in it’d entirety. As well as cap and trade, card check and the rest. Indeed if Republican’s really are serious then it’s time to start pushing to defund and undo the excesses of the Democrat’s from FDR forward. A few examples would be The Davis-Bacon Act and to withhold federal from state and local governments with similar contracting requirements, McCain Feingold and the entire federal campaign financing edifice, ban civil service employee unions, enough of the shakedown of the taxpayers, a national right to work act, double dipping federal pensions and witholding federal funds or denying the tax deductibility of state and local taxes who do not ban civil service employee unions and double dipping pensions and that Congress make itself unable to remove itself from being held to laws everyone one else must obey. That would be a good start.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
So, if EVERYONE is required to pay the monthly fee for the health care plan, how is that different? You are actually paying taxes specifically towards abortion services. Not some vague language, either. Those of us who cannot support abortion on religious and philosophical grounds—-it becomes a matter of conscience. To me, (and many others like myself), paying for these abortions would be as bad as doing the act. 1st trimester abortion actually rips the baby apart, limb by limb. We need to fight these evil people through our votes.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
I oppose the entire health care plan. There will still be 30M without insurance. That’s the number we were trying to correct. Hmmmm, sounds like it’s nothing more than the Government trying to control another aspect of our lives. Leave us alone!
November 19th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
I thought this world was going to hell in a handbaskett, now I know it is. HOw in the world did this great nation turn to killing innocents and condoning this action, and the idiots in Washington want Christians to pay forthis reackless behavior. I withthe previous comment Throw me in jail, I’m not going to be a partt to killing babies and I’ll be damned if I vote for anyone who votes for this health care no matter what freaking excuse they give. Polosi, Reid and Obama and all these Pro Choice people can burn in hell and I sure they will.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
The clause that requires us to pay for abortions may be a bargaining chip or throw-away in the Negotiations. As heinous as abortion is, lets not lose sight of the fact that the entire idea of government-run health care is flawed.
Even the Nov. issue of AARPbullitin has a couple of articles about Medicare fraud and waste. And they want us to believe that Obamacare would be any better(?)
The liberals are a tricky bunch, lets not be taken in!
November 19th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
I wonder how many of you anti-abortion people are for capital punishment?
November 19th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
This is NOT the way to fight this health care bill. This is a trivial issue compared with the concept of completely taking away ours and our doctors’ freedoms. The government has no business being involved in the private sector, period. If you fight on the principle of freedom, the rest will follow. You won’t have to pay for abortions if you don’t want to. You don’t have to have coverage for them if you don’t want to.
Please stick to the principles because you will lose if you focus only on a provision here or there.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
You all hypocrites. The majority of Americans support a womens right to choose what to do with her body. Get out of the dark ages. If I had my way, I would choose not to pay taxes to fund a war that kills thousands of people who had no plans to harm us. On that note, I dont believe we need paved roads. I choose not to pay taxes to pave roads. Grow up all of you.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Whether abortion is covered or not, I am still 100% against these bills! I am pro-life and it sickens me that some of our congressmen think we should all have to pay to kill babies, but it sickens me even more that they will be getting control over all of our health care.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
This is one hill I am willing to die on!!! I will not pay for abortions. I am willing to go to jail over this. I am a law abiding citizen and a practicing Catholic. Come and get me!!!
November 19th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Please, Oh please for the love of Pete make sure the GOP actually runs a candidate who can WIN in 2012. If you give us the likes of McCain again the Republic is lost. Better find a Ronald Reagan out there somewhere, and it is not Palin. As fresh as she is, the media has already seen to it that her brand is tarnished (however unfairly)
November 19th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
THROW ME IN JAIL. I WILL NOT PAY THE GOVERNMENT TO KILL BABIES IN AFGHANISTAN, IRAQ, AND PAKISTAN. FORGET ABOUT IT.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
Requiring the American people to pay an abortion premium further aides in eroding the values and principles our nation was founded on. I’ll join Katie Smith in jail because I’m not going to fund anyone’s abortion.
Continue the tough stance against this bill!
November 19th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
This entire issue is ludicrous. Abortion should certainly be covered under ANY health care plan, private or public. It’s an important medical service that should not be denied to anyone who needs or desires it.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
I will not pay tax for abortion coverage.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Katie, I’ll be joining you in jail, because I have no intention of paying for abortion.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
It’s astounding that Republicans are allowing themselves to be hoodwinked by the abortion issue. Pelosi came up with this at the last minute to give air cover to Democrats from shaky districts, knowing full well she would give it up at the last minute to let them save face with their constituents, back home. Now, the Senate Democrats are pulling the same sleight of hand, and Republicans are biting. Again.
Look, what’s objectionable about this bill is that it is a socialist takeover of a large chunk of our economy that benefits no one but the unions. Don’t give them an out, because they will drop the abortion clause at the last minute, just like they did in the House.
p.s. Once Democrats have an unshakeable grip on healthcare, and an entrenched union constituency there, they will just add it back in, down the road. Stand on principle, now, or get rolled, later.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
YOUR body
YOUR choice
ok fine then…..
Pay for it with YOUR money!
and keep YOUR lifestyle to YOURSELF!
November 19th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Mr. Boehner, Sir,
Thank you for your efforts, however I would like to add that Republicans need to tow the line on this not one not one Republican should vote in favor of any Health Care Bill.
Those that do will regret the day they did as they will be signing careering ending pink slips.
Those in the Senate and Congress who feel they have no obligation to listen to the American voters are in for a big big surprise.
Elected officials are not the only wone who rad the polls and we voters are more informed than we have ever been and more determined to insure that you do what we ask.
Any Democrat, Blue Dog, or Republican that thinks any of this is a good idea is history.
How dare you created a permanent caste system and force this nation breaking nonsene on Americans from which your private club has excluded themselves.
Melody Kite
November 19th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Perhaps if pregnant women where able to receive low cost government health care, including both pre-natal and after birth for their child, we wouldn’t have so many abortions.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
You invoke the right to “abortion” into the Health Plan and then have the nerve to charge everyone for it, even though they maybe opposed to it in the first place. Have you elected officials received your mandatory “Frontal Lobotomy” letter yet? What’s next? Legalize illegal alienship?
November 19th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
Don’t be fooled, that don’t expect to get this in their plan, it’s all a trick to get the media talking about it and people upset, then they will conceed this at the last moment to get votes for the whole package…the house did the same…
November 19th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
America wake up. They are taking our freedoms away 1 at a time. The Democrats do not care about anything except their own agenda. They completely ignore rulings that were passed before, they rarely tell the truth about anything or at best half truths. Our country is perishing right before our eyes and if we do not wake up and vote it will be gone before we know it. We will be completely a socialist country with no freedoms. Maybe we have to hit bottom before we get off our lazy butts and take care of business.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
This is in response to Mary Ann Shelton comment. I appreciate the sentiment, but the term EUTHANASIA literally means “good death”. Nothing about these abortions. First trimester abortions rip the baby apart. Partial birth abortions remove most of the baby breech, then use scissors to make a hole in th back of the baby’s skulls and then suctions the baby’s brains our. There are a number of barbaric procedures, but none could be called euthanasia.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
I do believe that the time has come for all patriots to take to arms and march on Washington.
It is dependent upon us to stand fot the freedoms guarentied under the Constitution.
Those who would pound there swords into plows will find that they will plow for those who did not.
Stand for freedom, down with the Communists!
November 19th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Fight this plan!
November 19th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
What kind of monster would CHOOSE such coverage? Are they PLANNING to have abortions?
November 19th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Here is the easy solution to improve the health care system that won’t lead to a government take-over:
1. Impose improved disclosure obligations on insurance companies so consumers can tell exactly what is covered by their plan and what is not covered by their plan before they select a plan, and
2. Set up an independent dispute resolution panel where a consumer can go for relief when their insurance company decides not to pay for something that should be covered by the plan.
The above would solve 99.9% of the complaints that most people have with their current health insurance.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Please do everyhting possible to prevent the passage of this attack on American values. The bill without the abortion provision is a threat to our survival econonically, the abortion provision will be cause for massive civil disobediance.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Not just wrong, but evil. It is time for America to stand up and declare who she is, a nation that is under God or under godless, relativistic humanism. It’s now or never, because the time is short and there likely will be no going back.
To the Republican leaders, I say that you must lead. This is not a time for compromise. This is not a time for party over principle, or party over nation. This is a critical time for putting first things first, political costs be damned. Do the right thing, and you will find that you will be rewarded at the ballot box. Equivocate, and this party will be swallowed by history.
Fight the Marxists, fight the Dems, fight the media. Fight Islam and its politically correct cover. Know your enemy, and know yourself. This is a time for courage.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
Thank you for bringing this to light. I’ve posted it to my facebook page and will let anyone I see know about it. We REFUSE to PAY for abortions!
November 19th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
Seems like the Senate has the same strategy as the house. Focus in on Abortion than appear to make concessions by giving in on a few points to make it easier to swallow for those on the fence. The whole bill is bad, and the inclusion of Abortion “rights” just makes it unacceptable.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
Im with you Katie. I absolutely refuse to give one single cent of my money to fund abortions under any circumstances. It completely flies in the face of my religious beliefs to do so. My own government can try to punish me if they so choose, but I will take that fight all the way to the Supreme Court if I must. I will not stand before God almighty having not fought this tooth and nail.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
It has begun. Americans now must pay to further the liberal agenda. Absolutely disgusting! Please do not let it happen!
November 19th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
When did those we know as elected representatives decide they could become rulers? They are pushing an agenda that is destroying our most basic freedoms, by making abortion on demand a right, and by rationing health care to senior citizens, just to name two of the most heinous aspects of these bills.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Consider amending your W-4, thereby giving the minimum to this financially irresponsible government
November 19th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
I only have one question in regards to this health plan in general. If it is the greatest thing since swiss cheese, why are federal employees not being forced to be the first Americans to join it? I know there was a vote for that to happen and that all democrats voted against it.
What kind of leadership are they showing us, THE VOTING PUBLIC
November 19th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
I guess I won’t have to pay taxes - get the ACLU - My religion is against abortion - MY MONEY WILL NOT GO TO ABORTION!!!
November 19th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Mr. Boehner,
Please take this to heart. American Patriots will go to jail long before this oppressive administration will pry a single US penny from my hands to fund ANY abortion.
Signed,
An American Patriot
November 19th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
There’s no way I’m going to work every day to fund abortions. Give me a break. There are reforms out there that will lower the monetary cost of healthcare without raising the sociological costs. I’m supposed to sacrifice my morals to save a buck … what am I - a politician?
November 19th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
They will never take my money in order to murder a baby……. NEVER!
November 19th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
There is no honesty or integrity in any of the plans before the Senate. I guess the Democrats are trying to wear everyone out with this insanity. None of it is about making premiums affordable for those who have no insurance, but simply about power mad politicians pushing the envelope to the nth degree. Control and fleecing the public is all Harry Ried, Nancy Pelosi and the usual cast of suspects care about, that and downsizing the entire Country….making it a third world entity. Amnesty for law breaking illegal aliens, tax payer payments for abortions, rationing, forcing people to buy insurance, threatening them with punishment if they don’t…all of that is as Un-American as Gulags and the hammer and sickle.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Sign me up for the jail list. There is no chance I pay for abortions. Let’s see what these Dems do when solid tax-paying citizens refuse to pay their taxes.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
No one will be required to pay for it that doesn’t choose that insurance plan.
“requires that at least one insurance plan offered in the Exchange covers abortions (line 13, p. 120).”
All the discussion of people having to pay for it pertains to those who select that plan. This is just typical press cherry-picking selected phrases to be more inflammatory to strongly opinionated people wo don’t bother to research the facts of their argument.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
I am fed up to my eyballs with Reid and Pelosi and their like minded liberal Democrats, and I expect Rebublicans to stand up against these people. This engire charade of a health care plan should be stopped immediately. NO MORE!! The Socialist takeover of America has got to stop NOW, or Americans who still believe in this country will have to riot in the streets of our cities until the politicians get the message.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
The moral corruption and economic collapse of the US government are partially due to the legalizing of abortion in the US. Yahweh will not allow the murder of millions of innocent children by the state to go unpunished. Their blood crys from the clinics for justice. Now if we the people are forced to pay for the murder of more millions of innocents, we will be held accountable for their blood. If we the people do not rise up and stop this evil, then prepare for invasion and the killing of many. Vengeance is mine says the Lord.
Elias
November 19th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
I wonder if anyone is ever going to stand up for the unborn babies. What the government is doing is wrong and it will violate my concscience to pay for the killing of innocent babies. Have you congressmen NO shame? Will you have us all be guilty of the murders of unborn babies? You folks are frightening. If you can kill unborn babies you can take the next step and kill living human beings.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
I am absolutely opposed to this or any other government health care plan. But how about hammering on the fact that its unconstitutional and expensive? I am opposed to abortion, but if they remove ALL the abortion funding its still a bad plan, and worse, its unconstitutional.
Which part of “Congress shall make no law” do you congress critters not understand?
November 19th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
This is crazy…the government refuses to listen to the people; this is a mandate that is evil in its nature–murdering babies and forcibly charging the American people (NOTE that the majority does not support this).. They need to be removed from power..
Throw me in jail– I will not pay that fee
November 19th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE! The government can’t legally force or punish me for standing by my religious
beliefs! I will not pay the government to abort PRECIOUS INNOCENT INFANTS!
November 19th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical. - Thomas Jefferson
November 19th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
If this government is hell-bent on making me a party to abortion, I will be hell-bent on aborting this government.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Please continue to get the facts before the American people and encourage them to speak out to our elected officials.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Americans need to prepare to begin “Civil Disobedience” should this plan become law and refuse to cooperate in any way.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
We are dealing with godless educated barbarians. Act accordlingly. Find a way to stop this madness! FIND A WAY!
November 19th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
once again the party of death has spoken.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
as a democrat from illinois, i do not support this clause. mr. durbin, your office will be hearing from me shortly.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
An alternate choice… Would adoption be covered under any plan? From my experience, adoption is very rewarding and definitely a motivator to stay healthy. Life is precious, and sharing adds a lot of meaning.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
As a pro-choice Republican I am against this. 1) I don’t want to pay for other peoples abortions and 2) I respect the rights of people who are against abortion having to fund them.
You can support womens right to have an abortion. That doesn’t mean the gov’t (us) should pay for them
November 19th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Don’t even think about including me in your evil ways of murdering children through aboriton. You immoral sinners!
November 19th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
These people are an evil cancer and must be eliminated.
We must punish them for a long time and vote out EVERY DEMONcRAT to teach them a lesson that they work for the people not the other way around.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
It just boggles my mind that these prov isions are even being considered!! This one is morally corrupt and the others are just criminal and do not reflect the will ogf the people! Throw the bums and bummettes out!!!!
November 19th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Sen Boehner, Thanks for being one of the good guys. You have our prayers, support and admiration. Do not grow weary in well-doing.
Brian
November 19th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
I do not want to see our tax money go towards abortion payments. Abortions are elective…does this bill pay for cosmetic surgery, breast augmentation and lipo? Just because abortions are legal does not me we should pay for them. Guns are legal with a license, but we dont buy guns for citizens under a government entitlement. If women want abortions and men want penile augmentation or any other kind of elective surgery let them pay for it privately. Frankly, with the free market, the costs of these surgeries will go down and prob be cheaper than the government version.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Whether someone believes in abortion or not I think it is not the
governments right to tell someone they are going to pay for abortions.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Don’t forget people,..”We surround them”!
November 19th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
It is time to bring impeachment proceedings against these 2 (Reid and Pelosi). I call on the Republican leadership to stand up forcefully and in plain sight against these partisans. Throw them out. They are not government of the people, for the people and by the people. They are agenda-driven ideologues.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
What about MY right to choose? I choose NOT to abort under ANY circumstances and I should, in this American republic, be allowed to choose NOT to pay for anyone’s “choice” to abort. This ‘monthly abortion premium’ is ludicrous! The Reid plan ignores any bipartisan effort by Stupak/Pitts! TOTALLY UNSAT!!
November 19th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
Absolutely amazing ! Thomas Jefferson was right on: “Any government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have”. Vote NO !!!!!
November 19th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
I chose to have children. Someone may not, that is their choice. But they should accept that responsibility themselves, not put it on everyone else. The government is taking away our self-responsibility. I won’t drink their kool aide nor will I accept responsibility where it is not mine.
And yes, they are selling our freedoms and we may never get them back.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Stop this ridiculous Health Care discussion and focus on Darfur. Jeez you guys!
November 19th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
This is an abomination of government I will not allow the proceeds of work and toil to fund the institution of killing the innocent unborn. Mr. Reid, I am opposed of this despicable act as well the raping of liberties from the American people. Your unscrupulous dealings cloaked within locked chambers are signs of the nefarious deals in which you and your henchmen heaving upon this great nation. .Virtue, morality, and religion. This is the armor, my friend, and this alone that renders us invincible. These are the tactics we should study. If we lose these, we are conquered, fallen indeed…so long as our manners and principles remain sound, there is no danger.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
NO Abortion! Period!
November 19th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
This makes me sick. I will not be a part of this. How dare they force anyone to pay for such an horrible thing.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
Abortion in America is the legalized murder for convenience of our weakest and most innocent citizens. To oblige citizens aware of and opposed to this barbarity to actually pay for the very procedure is obscene and immoral. May every attempt end in increasing contempt and rejection.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
I cannot help fund abortions. Pro-life doctors and nurses cannot assist in abortions. We will be forced to take a stand. Maybe that is what our government wants. HOPEFULLY, it won’t come to this. I will pray for the COURAGE for myself and others to do what is right.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
They fired one across our bow, tea parties fired back. Now Reid and Pelosi have moved aggressively forward against the will of the American people.
SINCE THEY SO WISH TO DEFY US, THE NEXT BATTLE WILL BE NOV. 2010… THEY WILL BE DEFEATED WITH BALLOT BOX.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Who can support a government that is killing it’s population through abortions, tax policy and health care rationing? wonder how many beds in the US are controlled by the Catholic Church? Do you think the bishops might close them vs. allowing mandated abortions?
November 19th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
“Elective abortion” equates to pre-meditated murder. Killing a child because it is convenient is sickening and evil! You can send me to prison, but I will never participate in ANY government-run “health plan” that condones infanticide.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
No surprise. There is nothing new here. This is just the same old organized atheism masquerading as social justice. In between the fall of the Berlin wall and the universal failure of socialism/communism, 20 years have passed and a new generation of people, 40 and under, totally ignorant to how these schemes destroy countries have become part of the voting block. Hopefully we won’t have to destroy our society to educate the masses as to what works and what does not work.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
you are so full of it.. so the plan will charge a monthly premium.. since one of the plans may cover abortion, you call it a monthly abortion premium. clever.
yea you people who are all about “life” refuse to allow YOUR tax dollars to pay for something YOU hate so much as abortion, yet people who hate the imperialist wars started by boehner now must pay taxes to kill the righteously angry poor people of the muslim world and the children who might be around them..
November 19th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
I totally Agree with above…I will go to jail before I pay one penny towards government approved and funded murder of babies!
November 19th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
THERE WILL BE A VERY WARM PLACE FOR THESE LEFT WING LOONS, WHEN
THEY LEAVE THIS EARTH.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
There had better be a clause allowing a person to opt out on religious grounds…
November 19th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
I will not allow my money to be used to pay for abortions. Not a chance in the world. If I have to go to Washington, DC to join a protest about this, then so be it. This will not stand.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
I wonder, Harley James, when you write that you are “voting against these socialists” and encouraging others to do the same, if you are encouraging others to vote against John McCain. We all know what the Democrats are, but I am afraid that the Republicans lost in 2008 because a socialist won the nomination, leaving voters only a choice between a socialist and a communist. Yes, it is indeed time to renew our objection to the creeping (or more accurately, rapid expansion of) the socialism Democrats wish to impose. I hope that we do not get so swept up in partisan politics that we forget to cleanse our own house and demand principled leadership. We must be prepared to reject the leftists, no matter from which party they hail.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Dear Mr. Reid,
As a Nevada resident, I personally promise to do everything I can to assure that you are NOT reelected.
You can pay for killing babies out of your own pocket, not mine!
Goodbye Mr. Reid, don’t let the door hit you on the way out of the state!
November 19th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Heck no! Vote no abortion and democrats and liberal republicans.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
YOU CAN THROW ME IN JAIL TOO! I will NOT allow this government take MY HARD EARNED MONEY and pay for an abortion! I’m sick and tired of those LEFTIST NAZIS in Washington!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 19th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Please don’t let this abomination pass! You have my support. The health care bills, both House and Senate, need to be scraped and started over again.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
MY WIFE AND I ARE BOTH68. WHY SHOULD WE PAY FOR/AGAINST ABORTION.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Rep. Boehner, this is evil. God don’t like evil, and we have God on our side. Keep up being an American first, before any party. There will be huge protest and a grass roots tsunami to revolt and not pay anything. Period.
God Bless you and open the eyes of all Americans to what’s actually going on here. Power grab without limits or morals.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Why can’t they just tweak the systems we already in place, social security and medicare? The systems are not broken they just need fixed a little and better oversite on waste. The states medicaid could be adjusted to allow more lower income people get insurance and the overall costs would be more manageable. The debt load that these guys are making is enough to ruin the USA. It’s got to stop.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Please be careful that this isn’t a trick by the Dems. The majority of Americans don’t want govt healthcare at all. The Dems may be trying to back door it by pushing it through by “agreeing” to take out the abortion provisions. We don’t need ANY Govt run healthcare system.
They are already laying ground work for rationing now by pushing back mammograms by 10 years. The Obama administration wants to slip this in to set a precedent prior to a govt run system. Just plain wrong!
Also, if the abortion provisions are passed add me to the list of people to throw in jail as I will not pay for abortions.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Seriously? y’all really think Boehner is going to tell the whole truth here?
If you want abortion coverage you have to pay for it. You aren’t forced to.
And I’m glad that all of you support univeral health care since you seem to care SO MUCH about the unborn. How about the born?
You people contradict yourselves in so many ways.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
I think what this really does is give a point where Republicans can ‘win’ something in the bill and therefore either have cover for voting for the bill w/o abortion coverage, or look like partisans for not voting for the bill after they ‘fixed’ it.
Leave it in the bill, then vote the bill down. If there were three dems in the house that would not have voted for taxpayer funded abortions, then the Stupak/Pitts Amendment actually caused the bill to pass the house.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Respond to Katie:
No Katie, let’s throw these murdering, thieving politicians in jail. It’s time to really stand up to these liberals. It’s not bad enough to watch these babies being murdered, now we’re being asked to fund the abortionists with taxpayer dollars.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
The Senate Repubs should walk out as a group on this vote. A mere 35% of Americans want this boondoggle. We The People have spoken loud and clear, we DO NOT want government intervention in our lives. Nor do we want a government take over of the private sector. This bill is about control, not health care, and anyone that votes for this bill is guilty of treason against our Constitution. I would also suspect that anyone voting for this bill has been bought off by SEIU. I encourage all Repubs to stand for Liberty, and protect the American people from this power grap.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Let me make this clear. I WILL NOT PAY TAXES IF IT GOES TO ABORTION!!!! I hope that is clear enough for the Dems. I will sit in jail before I pay to kill Children.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
If I pay for abortion, I pay for the murder of innocent little children. Therefore, I’ll take my agression out on not-so-innocent, not-so-little politicians.
‘nuf said.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
Page 122 makes this bill DOA in the Senate. Thank God!!!
November 19th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
This should serve as notice to all conservatives that the times for sitting on the sidelines have long been over. This is an overt effort by the far-left to take away our freedoms and coerce us into supporting their agenda.
Get involved locally, write letters to the editor, talk to your friends and neighbors, rally around your true conservative candidates and let’s take back majority of the House and Senate in 2010 and reverse all of this power/control/marxist legislation before it’s too late.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
I found the entire Senate plan posted here: http://documents.nytimes.com/senate-health-care-bill#p=1
I’ve never seen this bill before today and the language is difficult to follow, but I don’t read the bill’s language the same way as it’s characterized here. I can find the language requiring at least one optional private health plan to cover abortion services and at least one plan that doesn’t cover abortion services, but in no case can the abortion services be federally funded or subsidized. That seems clear, unless I’m missing something entirely.
I can also see where the Secretary is required to estimate the cost of abortion coverage for any optional health plan, if abortion is included in the specific plan. If the state’s public plan includes abortion coverage (which I think is up to each state to decide), then the coverage fee must be paid for privately without federal funding. Is this right, or am I crazy?
Maybe the confusion about the fee being “federal” is caused by the proposed health exchanges run by each state. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think these exchanges would manage all health insurance plan payments, including payments that are federally subsidized or 100% private. For the portion of payments that are private (including any abortion coverage), the exchanges would act as a pass-through, sort of like how child support works. In child support, the states collect all child support payments and pass them through to the custodial parent. Those child support payments aren’t “federal” funds in any meaningful way, even though the funds might be temporarily held in government accounts before a check is cut to the custodial parent. If I pay my child support, I don’t care who the middle man is, that’s my money that my child is getting. Likewise, if I pay for health care coverage, then I don’t care if it goes into a U.S. Treasury Account or not first, that’s my money!!
November 19th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Abortion is a decision that should be left entirely between a woman and her doctor. Although I understand many are vehemently against killing a fetus inside a woman’s womb, most in this same group don’t want to help raise all these unwanted children if allowed to be born. They also don’t express similar outrage over all the fetuses in fertility clinics that are destroyed each year. Many proudly support the death penalty. Please keep your fake morality to yourself.
I am against forcing everyone into subsidizing the cost of abortions as well as all treatments for male erectile problems. Both should be paid entirely out of the patient’s own pocket. I’m also against forcing everyone into subsidizing health care costs for those living unhealthy lifestyles (obese, smokers, drug addicts, etc).
If the Reps want to fight the abortion issue, that’s fine by me. At least show a backbone and let everyone decide what procedures and groups (s)he is willing to help subsidize.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Katie we can be cellmates because I absolutely refuse to pay for abortions.
I am TOTALLY against this government takeover of our healthcare industry.
Everyone should contact their Senators and tell them to vote NO on this bill.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
I think if a woman chooses to have an abortion that’s up to her. I’m sure it’s not an easy thing to live with (and may even have effects on having future pregnancies). Hell, I’m of the mindset that life isn’t that miraculous or special when there’s over 6 Billion lives on the planet.
HOWEVER, I strongly oppose this health care ‘reform’ and the deception going along with it. If a woman wants an abortion, fine, but it should only be funded by her (and/or the potential baby’s daddy and/or family members, friends, etc), not by anyone else, and especially not by some membership fee.
Politicians are so pathetic these days. Seriously, everyone talks about “Ooh the greedy insurance companies!” Is the US Gov’t really that much better? Are the politicians of today not greedy as well? At the very least, it’s the same people with different faces, providing close to the same prices for crappier service.
The only thing that needs ‘reform’ is the ridiculous cost of care IN GENERAL. Allow more doctors to practice. If you saturate the number of professionals, THEN the prices will lower. Should it really cost at least 3,000 dollars to stay in a hospital overnight?
November 19th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
PEOPLE, PLEASE STAND UP, WE NEED YOU, YOU MUST FIGHT AGAINST THIS OR WE WILL LOSE OUR FREEDOM, THIS IS ONLY THE START OF THE CHANGE THAT WE WERE TOLD ABOUT: THE BEGINNING OF THE KILLING OF: OUR FREEDOM, OUR UNBORN, THE OLD, THE DISABLED, THE WEAK WHO NEED OUR HELP, OUR MORALS, OUR FREEDOM OF SPEECH, IGNORING THE NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE, THE END OUR OUR COUNTRY AS WE KNOW IT, THE GOVERNMENT FOR THE PEOPLE AND BY THE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!
DON’T BE DISCEIVED BY THE THOUGHT THAT ANY OF THIS IS FOR US, IT IS FOR THEM, FOR THEIR POCKETS, NOT FOR THE GOOD!!!!
November 19th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
They want to put us in jail alongside murders for not buying health insurance while simultaneously forcing Americans to pay for murdering babies. This is horrifying.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
The day this is passed is the day our freedom ends in this country.
Dont let them make us pay to have babys murdered.
Why isnt this covered in the news at all? These are the important points that need to be brought to the surface. Americans DO NOT want this.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
I can not believe that America has come to this. We, the people, have lost our voice. We, the people, no longer really matter do we? It seems the Dems only want to control and could care less what WE, the people have to say. I have just two words for those who are in office and are NOT listening. TOM DASCHAL.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
All we have to do to prevent healthcare bills like this is to just get rid of the Federal Reserve and revert to sound currency. Just think, if the Congress actually had to raise the money required for this healthcare bill through taxation, the people would never go for it. Taxes would be through the roof! Instead, Congress turns to the Federal Reserve and has them print the required money behind our backs, and we pay for it through inflation (i.e., rising prices for everything else we buy). This is called the inflation tax.
The first step to eliminating the Federal Reserve is to pass Congressman Paul’s bill HR-1207 to audit the Fed. Write your congressman and urge them to co-sponsor HR-1207. Write your senators and urge them to co-sponsor the Senate version of this bill, S604. Let’s expose the Federal Reserve for what it really is - the government’s means of paying for programs that the people would never willingly support with increased taxes.
Kudos to Congressman Boehner for having already co-sponsored HR-1207.
Best Regards,
A concerned citizen from the NJ congressional district of deadbeat Congressman Frank Pallone, and represented by deadbeat Senators Menendez and Lautenberg.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Please continue the good fight for us. It’s people like you that we need more of to ensure that our feedoms aren’t taken away.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
When will this madness stop?…when will the Powers to be FOLLOW the US CONSTITUTION?…it is time to stand up against the corruption going on in Congress!!…if we don’t, then we can all expect to learn Chinese soon enough!!!
November 19th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Fight this whole bill tooth and nail. Do not give in to socializing our health care system and taking away choice. Fix what needs to be fixed. Tort reform, health savings accounts, allowing doctors to deduct their costs that they provide the uninsured, allow buying of insurance from other states, root out corruption. Don’t destroy the best health care system in the world.
I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore!
November 19th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
We aren’t sliding to socialism, we’re full speed ahead to marxism. This health care nightmare cannot pass. Our freedom depends on it’s failure. The abortion clause is one of many that is directly opposed to how the majority of Americans feel. The current administration does not care. They have their agenda and they are pushing it with all they have.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Can the uninsured afford the $2,500 deductible? - NO
Should we cut five Billion from Medicare for this? - NO
Do we really believe healthcare won’t be rationed? - NO
Do we want socialized healthcare in this country? - NO
Can we afford this monstrosity? - No
Should we be “forced” to pay for killing babies? - NO
Should this bill even be allowed to the floor? - NO
November 19th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Nearly half the federal budget goes to welfare for old people in the form of Social Security benefits and Medicare. Why is ’socialism’ for old folks okay? Why did Republicans/conservatives add a drug benefit to Medicare? When will young people actually benefit from a system that we pay for? Maybe it’s because more old people vote. It seems Republicans are okay with ’socialism’ as long as it helps them get elected. Abortions are bad, but so is making me pay for old peoples expensive drugs and high tech treatments. And for what? To keep them around a couple more years? Extending peoples lives unnaturally on the backs of the younger generation isn’t moral. Until I hear Republicans call for an end to medicare and social security, they will forever be hypocrites.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Do any of you people know if your private health plan also covers abortion? If so, then you are already subsidizing the practice through your existing premiums.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
You people would be laughable if your ignorance wasn’t so destructive. You believe whatever you’re fed by these insane interest groups. Republicans have no real agenda to end abortion services. What did they do when they controlled the house, the senate and the presidency got 8 years? Nothing. They simply use this issue to keep sad, poor rural families like yours voting against their own economic interests. And you fools believe it. If you elected far right anti-choice politicians with strong majorities to office for the next 20 years - you would never see abortion end. You would just watch as you got poorer and poore. And the plight of the unborn was postponed over and over again until after the next election cycle.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Monthly abortion fee–can I bundle that with my cable bill and receive a discount?
November 19th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
As a small business, I maybe forced to pay for everyone’s healthcare. Checks will be a dollar short as I will not pay for the willful death of a child.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
Why are the Republicans critizing the bill when they have abortion coverage in their own plan?
November 19th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
WOW.
What a bunch of crap. If we have to pay for elective abortions…. I elect we have a late term abortion on all the idiots that are trying to force the people to pay for this. Actually I do not believe in abortion and will not participate in the killing of the unborn. Please contact your senators and voice your opinion on this important matter. GOD bless America.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
As a dem from Fl. I have had it with them all, VOTE AND THROW THEM ALL OT.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
I’m sorry to say this.. But the America that we knew growing up is gone. We are about to all be doomed to 3 more years of freedom taking, money spending (That we do not have) liberal knuckleheads.
God help us all.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
You might as well as come TRY and arrest me now, becuase I WILL NOT pay this murder tax!!!!!!!!!
November 19th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
So stop messin’ around with these people and challenge the constitutionality of the stupid thing. We all know it’s a scam and it’s your job to tear it apart. DO IT!!!
November 19th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
I would think that one court case for the refusal to pay for killing babies would end this nightmare once and for all. That or 57 million Conservatives/Republicans clogging up the jail system.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Reid is a Mormon. Can someone explain why he hasn’t been excommunicated for advocating abortions?
November 19th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Please band together some elected officials and people who are articulate and have integrity and hit this horrific takeover of our economy and dragonian assault on the unborn. The people of the United States are better than this monstrous paradigm shift toward socialism and is, I believe, if challenged, unconstitutional at the very least. We are in great need of honest and brave leadership.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
How did we get to this point in this country? I will be very honest, I will go to jail before I pay a single dime to pay for a baby to be murdered. Keep me in prison as long as you like. You will get no money for abortion if I am in prison. Can’t pay any taxes in jail. My government will get no money for Reid, Pelosi, Obama socialist plolicy. Mr. Boehner, I am starting to be afraid of my own government. Truly afraid, how sad is that. Keep fighting for us dear sir.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
I have always been dismayed by the lack of moral outrage from most of the RTL constituency when we are required to pay taxes for weapons of mass destruction and ordnance that ends up terminating the lives of innocent people including babies. Such “collateral damage” is somehow more tolerable than abortions.
The simple fact is we, as individuals, do not have a line item veto, and responsibility is rightly placed in the hands of our legislators to deliberate and vote. The overarching concern should always be “the common good”, and in this case the moral and economic good that will be produced by near universal health coverage, must by any objective standard, outweigh any perceived increase in abortions or additional moral guilt a given taxpayer may bear.
It is hard to avoid the conclusion, that “abortion” is once again being used as a wedge against the majority of people who wish to advance the common good and pass comprehensive healthcare reform.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
It is bad enough that abortion is legal, but to force people who are against it to PAY for it shows a total lack of regard for people of religion. I have come to despise these heinous liberals and I wish them bad luck and a miserable life, which is what they deserve.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
Where do we stop? As the Gov’t we feed people (food stamps), house people (subsidised housing), we care for people (emergency rooms), we provide income (social security for people who never paid into it) and other federal and state giveaway programs. All of this paid for by WORKING, TAX PAYING AMERICANS. When do good hard working Americans say ENOUGH!Obviously never, because we keep on electing these crooks to office.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
Where do I sign up for “conscientious objector status” to this socialist plan. I will go to jail before I pay a dime for killing babies!!!
November 19th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Federally mandated abortions will take this upper middle class tax paying physician out of the work place and put her behind bars because I will not be complicit in the taking of innocent human life. I hope Reid factors in all of us hard-working, tax-paying “astroturf” as we’ve been dubbed who will be imprisoned and on the wrong side of the federal balance sheet. My words are are without duplicity. I say what I mean to do.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
I am pro-choice, but am totally AGAINST anybody paying for someone else’s decision of aborting… it being an “ELECTIVE” procedure, should come out of people’s own pockets. I do not feel it should be the obligation or our neighbors to pay for our own choices, especially if they are anti-abortion.
This whole healthcare plan, proposed by Pelosi and Reid, which includes a public health option is a scandal and a joke. The government need to fix programs such as the medicare and medicaid programs, which are ALL going broke, before they try to create a national healthcare reform!! Simple common sense!!
November 19th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
Congressman,
Your views will gain a lot of respect if you offer an ammendmant that would guarantee the welfare of every child in US until he/she turns 16 by raising taxes on all Americans. This is the only way to justify pro-life position. Unless you are willing to 100% support every child, you cannot be anti-abortion because abortions only happen when woman does not care about the future child and thus government will have to step in. I have not seen one word from you that would ask Americans to pay more taxes to avert abortions. Until you do - this is all talk.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
This is beyond disgusting. As an RN and a mom I will not pay for the MURDER of innocents!! These people do not listen to us. We need to defeat them and send them home to their states for their permanent retirement. Don’t give in. We can stop this insanity!! Defeat the bill and defeat the Dems and any Repubs who support this atrocity!!!
November 19th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
This will inevitably lead to the next logical Democrat Step: Debial of Services to the Elderly who are in need of advanced healthcare above a certain age. We are moving for the age of, “Live long and Prospour” to the age of, “Just Die already!”.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
200 years of REAL AMERICAN’S fighting and dying for
Freedom,,,,,,,,,DOWN the drain in 1 year…………..
November 19th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
I will go to jail before I pay for the murder of children. We have to fight this !
November 19th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
I will not pay for abortions, what happened to to “choice”??? I lost several pregnancies before full term, one a little girl, for whom I saw only a glimpse of, as she was placed in a basket. In those days, there was no time given to the parents, and there were no burials. The doctor wept with me. I still grieve….so throw me in jail, I will not be a participant in such deplorable murderous behavior…I do have a choice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 19th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
Americans will not pay for murder. I personally think this is a distraction by the democraps and they have every intention of acquiescing on the abortion issue. That way they can give a pretense of bipartisanship and still utimately get what they want by further enslaving the American people to the will of big government. THIS UNCONSTITUTIONAL BILL MUST BE DEFEATED!!!!
November 19th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
Not all mesages are being posted … appears there is some screening going on.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
I have been in a state of shock since abortion was legalized. There are no words for THIS abomination. I cannot fathom what - if anything - is going thru the minds of those idiots in DC. And I mean both parties. All they are thinking about is their next election campaign. I hope the independent voters in this country realize what they’ve helped create and step up to the plate and stop these maniacal socialists.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
The federal government has no business mandating or funding any elective medical procedure - liposuction, hair implantation, lap banding, breast enhancement, gender change, and especially abortion. Pro-choicers have a choice they they choose not to make - don’t have unprotected sex. Abortion is a remedy for an irresponsible behavior that is promoted and sanctioned by democrats. It is any surprise that most criminals are democrat sympathizers.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
I need a punching bag right now to get rid of some of my rage and frustration! Asking the taxpapers to fund abortion is an immoral and unethical proposition, the creators of this bill should not be re-elected. Its up to the voters to get rid of them, this is clearly an example of whats right and wrong.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Make certain of this, ‘we the people’deserve a representative government that listens to us. As Jeffereson said:
“Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends [i.e., securing inherent and inalienable rights, with powers derived from the consent of the governed], it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.” –Thomas Jefferson: Declaration of Independence, 1776. ME 1:29, Papers 1:315
Could Jefferson say it any clearer?
We must set our representative straight. We can not
November 19th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
I will not help pay for the slaughter of innocent life. They will have to come and arrest me. I will not pay for it.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
I will not help pay for abortions, as its against my ethical and religious beliefs….. No American should be told he/she has to contribute to this… this is unamerican and our rights are being taken slowly away.
Wake Up America…..
November 19th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
I absolutely oppose both the house and senate healthcare plans. The senate plan endorses MURDER of the innocent and BOTH are fically irresponsible! It will be a pleasure when re election comes up to use my one man one vote to continue to express the outrage one feels for anyone who in our government who votes Yes on these plans.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
The truth is being exposed as the socialist/communist mentality of the Obama administration is being pushed by the idiots controlling the House and Senate. America Awake!!!!!!
November 19th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
They are so driven for power they are like a drunk looking for that nest drink. Our jobless rate is out of sight..small business is being destroy and all they can think of is gain control of 1/6th of our economy.
We are behind you Sir.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
Why are the Democrats so obsessed with health care deform (not reform) when people across the country are losing their jobs? Let’s get people employed by supporting business growth, get rid of anyone who is in this country illegally so they can’t drive down wages and take all the jobs from high school kids THEN we can worry about blowing billions of dollars on people who don’t qualify for Medicaid and can’t afford to buy insurance on their own. Congress makes me ashamed that they represent this country. Spend OUR money like it was YOUR money, these people would never blow their money on something like this.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
If this passes, many Americans will be thrown into prisions, are you willing to go to prison for your beliefs? I am! I will not pay for abortions period!!! Fight this now!
November 19th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
Abortion IS NOT HEALTHCARE - one dead baby and one forever wounded mother!!
STOP THIS BILL!!
November 19th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
You need to be afraid of the “Administrative State.” What Congress is doing is putting the controversial decisions in the hands of the Secretary of Health and Human Services, so that no Congressman needs to vote on controversial issues.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
I have no problem with abortion. It has been rammed down the Pro-Life movements throat for years that it is a CHOICE. Heck, even the Pro-Abortion side’s platform is “Choice”… i.e “The Right To Choose”
And you know what… I am FINE with that.
Your CHOICE.
But I will be DAMNED if I will pay for someone’s CHOICE.
You choose to have an abortion… you PAY FOR IT!
I choose to go fishing as often as possible. I think we need a provision in the bill that taxes EVERYONE so I can afford to go fishing in all the places I’d like to.
I guess I misread the political posters… I thought they said “Hope and Change”, when in reality they read “Hype and Chains”.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
This is underhandedly stripping away our American protections of religous freedom which say the government cannot hinder the free expression of or force the practice of religion on its people. Abortion is a religious issue for many, including doctors, pharmacists and other healthcare professionals. Our country’s current leadership is arrogant enough to believe THEY are more intelligent than the American people, and our hokey religious beliefs will not hinder THEM from carrying out their cravings for complete control.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
This is the beginning of the end of our liberties and literally, our lives. It has been forecast time and time again that our society shall collapse not from external forces but from within and these demons are doing all they can to assure this happens. I am sure there are those that voted for this administration that are very pleased with these circumstances and will continue their support. But, I am also certain that there are many, probably even most, that voted for these clowns that now realize that what they are and regret what they are doing to our country. We will not succomb to this assult on our contry and in 2010 the tide, I PRAY and ASK YOU TO DO THE SAME!
November 19th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Congressman Boehner,
We are about to be forcefully taken down a road the majority of Americans have clearly said they do not want to go. This is no longer “politics as usual.” I am a 68 year old registered Republican, served my country in the military, and had a 25 year career as a television news anchor and reporter. For the first time in my life I am truly concerned we are on a course to lose our country and become a constitutional republic in name only. I guarantee you there is an anger growing among the American electorate. I hope the Republicans in the Congress and the Senate start to speak out more forcefully, and more often, about what is truly at stake here.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Abortion is murder plain and simple. I will not be a part of it in any way shape or form. Throw these evil people out of government.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
That would go against the Hyde amendment. This smells like misinformation.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
Mr. Boehner…look Harry Reid in the eye and ask him if he believes in ‘freedom of choice’…and then look him in the eye again and ask him if forcing me, as a citizen and taxpayer of the United States of America and ask him if I have the ‘freedom of choice’ when it comes to the imperial federal government confiscating money from me that I have earned, to pay for abortion and last but not least, health insurance for someone who doesn’t have it. Where does it mandate in the Constitution of the United States of America that both houses of congress can force me to pay for health insurance? Answer me!
November 19th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Almost all insurance companies, even the one used by the RNC, fund abortion. The only solution is for government to ban insurance companies from paying for them. Thankfully conservatives support these new government regulations that save lives.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
God forbid, if this awful bill is passed, I’m planning to opt out of the whole freedom-robbing scheme - but now I’m wondering if my penalty/tax would go toward paying for abortions. That would horrific and totally unacceptable to me as a Christian.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
my wife and I are completey opposed to asking taxpayers to pay for abortions.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
These democrats have lost their mind and they are hell bent on destroying this great nation that God has blessed us with and the liberties and freedom that we enjoy everyday. I hope Congressman Boehner that you fight the good fight and stand up for what is right. It is time for the citizens of this nation to rise up and let your voices be heard on a consistent basis for the disapproval of this Congress and Administration. We cannot take a day off because these democrats are trying to ram these toxic bills down our throats. If we don’t stand up and fight now then our children and grandchildren will be left with an America that our grandparents would not recognize.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
For God’s sake Boehner, you guys have got to stop these crazy liberals! Just hold them off ’til 2010, we voters will take care of the rest.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Whether you approve of abortion or not, Americans should not be forced to pay fees for operations or institutions that they do not believe in. It’s synonymous to the government mandating morality via healthcare. I agree that insurance (in general) should include anything an individual is willing to pay a premium for, but even IF you were in support of a public option you would have no option to opt out of this ‘abortion fee’ even if you wanted to!
Let’s be honest, senselessly shouting ‘abortion is wrong’ isn’t going to accomplish anything, but it makes a valid point to say ‘this is proof that this Public Option is little more than you pushing your personal social agenda!’ It’s almost criminal how many politicians out there are content wrapping up their social agendas under the auspice of ‘people are dying so we have to pay for my liberal beliefs!’ I don’t make anyone fund my conservative beliefs and I expect the same respect in return, Ms. Speaker… Sen. Reid!
November 19th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
The federal government has no place deciding who may have an ‘elective’ abortion. Certainly they should not be allowed to tax Americans to pay for abortions. Unfortunately, I think this issue may be a red herring inserted so the marxists can pull it during debate (it should even get to debate IMO) and then re-insert it during conference with the house marxists. The best outcome would be for 3 or 4 Ds to kill this bill and not let it come to the senate floor.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
So rather than whining about it, why not offer up an amendment to get rid of it. Good grief if the Democrats can put anti- abortion language in the house bill and pass it to the great consternation of their own voters you would think the Republicans could do it. I’m getting a tad tired of nothing but whining.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
I find three included items most objectionable and the lack of one item equally a problem. Any acceptable “Reform” of health care must not include (1) mandatory (read: forced) participation by all citizens in a plan having specific minimun coverage (since all coverages cannot fit all situations), (2) Federal funding of voluntary (not spontaneous or natural due to pregnancy problems) abortions to any degree, and (3) a government run insurance program funded in any way other than with the premiums collected from participants in such a plan. As well as not having any of the above it must include restrictions to current law regarding rights and limitations for legal suits as that is a primary reason for spiraling costs due to added medical testing which would not otherwise be called for.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
Stop your shameful, dishonest appeal to the worst in your supporters.
The majority of Americans want health care insurance reform. American women have a legal right to safe, legal abortion and more than half of currently insured people in this county have plans that provide for it. In other words, their premiums cover it. What the Stupak Amendment does is prohibit it for the neediest of women, those who have no insurance and would be buying it under the exchange program.
Wake up, folks, it’s not going to come out of your tax dollars. Just another lie from the desperate party of NO.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
Throw me in jail, too!! I WILL NOT pay for the murder of the MOST INNOCENT of all, the unborn. I hate abortion for any reason, it is an abomination to God. NO plan these communists come up with can make me pay it. They cannot put us all in jail, they can’t afford to keep them up now. I will just stop working and go on the rolls with the sorry people I am already paying to sit at home and watch Oprah. Abortion is nothing more than premeditated first degree murder of the most innocent!!! Those who are pushing this should prepare to burn in hell.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
NOT NOW, nor will I EVER pay for abortions. I will not pay and neither will most people I know Obama better start building more jails to house all the bitter clingers like me!!
November 19th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
Abortion is legal…no matter how abhorrent it is
Despite whatever views you may have, restricting legal abortions is no different than the rationing that people are worried about
November 19th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
We need to stop this. Call your US Senators.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Well I guess I will see many of you in jail. I think if this bill goes through, jails will be safer than the rest of the world as all the moral people will be in jail. We may even take care of the gang problem while we are in there. I bet unemployment would not be as much as an issue either as moral people tend to use more common sense and not surpress the truth so much.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
NO! TO ABORTION!! Join a TEAPARTY PATRIOTS GROUP near you as I did. They are making a big statement and just growing. If this passes, you can make a bigger difference with belonging to a group of same beliefs than just speaking it alone.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Thanks for being a real representative to your constituents. Unfortunately, our new Sen. Mark Begich of Alaska has Reid to thank for his seat in the Senate and will vote for anything that Reid brings forth - even this 2000+ page monster bill. Begich will be a one term Senator and I believe every senator who votes for one more treasonous bill - such as these healthcare reconstruct bills will be in their LAST term in congress.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
I would rather go to prison than be forced to pay for the MURDER of unborn children. My God have mercy on the souls that support this evil bill.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Our basic rights and religious freedoms are under a full frontal assault from this administration and the like. This cannot pass as our nation will be punished for the murder of the unborn. We need to contact every friend and family member and bring this to light!! If this is not a wake up call I don’t know what would be.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
While I disagree with this as well, let’s not lose site of the fact that the whole thing is unconstitutional. Let’s not react in a Pavlovian way to the abortion issue. I try of my fellow Republicans losing all sense of anything else once this topic comes up. Don’t let them use this as a red herring. Don’t let them say We’ll if this is going you have to give us something in return. The whole bill should go away. That will take care of this issue.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
I never thought our Government would force us to fund abortions. How far we have fallen as a nation when our leaders can force us to violate our most precious beliefs.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
Katie Smith,
Unfortunately you already have. All those billions of dollars from the Bush bank bailout in 2008 (not the Obama ’stimulus’ in 2009) went to companies, many of which have insurance plans that pay for abortions. That taxpayer money will then in part be used to provide abortions. This is what happens when we get squishy Republicans like Bush.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
This feels like being a mouse in a maze with no way out, just dead ends and corners. These people are crazy drunk with power and won’t be satisfied till they have ALL the money, ALL the power, and ALL the rights. The most horrifying part is that we can’t vote them out for another YEAR. Just imagine what they will have done to our country in that time? ABSOLUTELY NO to forcing us to pay for abortions!
November 19th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
You know, a real link instead of snipets would be more believable.
From what I can tell, you quoted “Voluntary Choice of Coverage of Abortion Services”. That alone means people can opt to choose for coverage if they want. Only those people who choose to do that for themselves would thus have to pay extra for themselves.
Those that choose not to have that coverage, thus wouldn’t pay.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Don’t tread on me and don’t force this sham of a so-called health care plan down my throat! Stand up all and don’t accept this. I prefer civil disobedience than this corrupt plan!
November 19th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Our congressmen and senators continue to sell us down the river. Like the VAST majority of actual voters, I am extremely angry at the attempt to bankrupt us, and turn our country into a socialist state. 2010 cannot get here soon enough!!!!
November 19th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
I used to think that Sen. Reid was not very bright. Now we all know he is brain dead which is why he will be defeated in his 2010 re-election bid. Democrats seem to have forgotten 1994. So I guess when the votes are counted in November of 2010 they will be surprised again. Just think of all the commercials that will run showing the horror stories of the health care bill and then Democrats trying to justify it. Can’t wait to see them get their clock cleaned.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Why do we tolerate the schemes of our elected representatives to intentionally deceive us? Why can’t we be told straight out what these bills will cover and what these bill will cost the voters?
Have you tried to read one of these bills??? I have. They are incomprehensible.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
This is a violation of the 1st Amendment Rights guaranteed under the Constitution which affirm religious Freedom. The government cannot under the US Constitution force any American citizen to violate their religious beliefs. By installing a tax to support government approved murder it is a direct violation of the Constitution.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
I agree with Katie Smith…”THROW ME IN JAIL. I WILL NOT PAY THE GOVERNMENT TO KILL BABIES. FORGET ABOUT IT.” America better wake up as we are digging our own graves. Jesus said we can read the signs of the earth and the sky but why is it we can’t read the signs of the times. Good God people does the sky have to fall on you before you realize we need to wake up and start taking responsibility for our actions. The U.S. is spiraling downward fast and we need to start standing up for our rights because Obama is standing over our Constitution with a can of gasoline and a book of matches!
November 19th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
The abortion issue is a red herring! Please understand that Reid has provided something that people can object to and change so that the overriding issue of passing the bill will go through. Wake up! This is a government take over of our health care. Mandated coverage of a wide variety of issues will drive even the most basic health insurance costs through the roof - even without the “public option” - another red herring. And the insurance industry will be the biggest benefactor - that and the government bureaucracy that will need to control it and our lives. The impact on small businesses and farmers - many of whom currently buy just basic catastrophic coverage will be huge! Stop this before it is to late. Add on to those cost the increase in debt and anyone who claims this is a method of controlling health cost is a bold faced liar.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
I’m amazed at the audacity of liberals. Legal abortion, which we have now, isn’t enough for these arrogant people, No, those that believe that it’s murder of innocents must pay for it. Liberals make me sick.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
I personally believe in a woman’s right to chose whether to have or not have an abortion. However, I will not be forced into having to compensate monetarily for someone else to have that abortion. If you are male, or over the child-bearing age, or have had a hysterectomy, why should we have to pay for this?! Completely outrageous.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
How dare our congress even think of mandating this kind of moral issue on taxpayers and forcing them to pay for abortions. The liberals think they know what is best for us, even overriding our own morals and beliefs. This is the worst kind of Tyranny a govt. can
impose on citizens. What is next? Telling us we have to abort all girl fetus, because there are more girls in the world than boys? Unfortunately they will do this kind of horrific stuff. Stop this insanity now!
November 19th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
Some Senator needs to stand up and say this is not in the best interest of the my state and I refuse to vote for it. I live in Virginia so Senator Webb or Warner are you wiling to stand up and represent the state of Va or will you bend over to Harry Reid. Either way you lose my friend. The Dems will rip you if you dont vote with them, and the voters will rip you if you do..Now remember who put you there and who you represent.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
What a bunch of goofballs! A mass of cells inside a woman’s body is not another person. It is part of her body. She has an absolute right to do whatever she wants with her body or any part of her body. You clowns are anti-choice and pro-forced pregnancy.
If you’re not pro-choice, you hate women. If you’re an anti-choice woman, you hate yourself. Pathetic. Keep your mental frailties out of the nation’s laws. Mind your own business and stop pretending that your pathological need to control other people is some sort of policy position.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
Please do what ever you can to stop this. We must be the party that believes in the sanctity of life.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
But God isn’t real, none of these arguments make sense.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
Sir,
I will never, ever, allow money to be taken from my pocket to pay for the murder of the unborn.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Jesus said that it would be better for a millstone to be hung around someone’s neck and they be cast into the depths of the sea than to cause one of His little ones to stumble; How much more then when His little ones are murdered even before they are born? Grace is available to those who have committed such, but grace is not a cloak for/to sin. By the fear of the Lord men depart from iniquity; May the living God by Jesus Christ restore His people to that godly fear, and this nation repent so we can be healed.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
As a general rule isn’t insurance something one purchases to offset the expenses associated with an event one wishes to AVOID? Avoiding the need for an abortion should be a relatively simple matter.
If one is foolish/careless enough to unintentionaly become pregnant; and immoral enough to choose to undergo an abortion, then one should use their own damn money to do so.
Don’t ever look to the taxpayer to fund such nonsense!
November 19th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
READ THE BILL!
READ THE BILL!
READ THE BILL!
READ THE BILL!
Read the bill on the Senate floor.
And give US, the PEOPLE, more than 36 hours to read it!
If government run health care of ANY FORM passes, I will not only blame Democrats, but I will blame Republicans and the current leadership as well for failing to stop it. I cannot emphasize this enough. If Republicans fail to stop this government take over of health care, I will abandon the party for good, just as a great many of them have abandoned conservatives and conservative principles.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
We must pray for our country but in the end if a government no longer protects it’s citizens but is against them, than we only have one choice. To “obey God rather than man”. Acts 5:29
November 19th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
Google your senators. Call their DC offices. Call their local offices. Be polite but clear. I just did. Took less than a minute. A human being took note of my position. A phone call counts for more than an e-mail. Burn up their phone lines. Don’t waste time posting on blogs. Pick up the phone.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
Leader Boehner is LYING. I’ve read the portions he’s referencing, and they do not support his claims. Note that he does not quote any actual language, he simply references sections to appear as though he’s supported by facts.
That surcharge will only be levied on people that CHOOSE the plan that offers abortion services. There will be a separate plan for those does not cover abortion, and that plan will not have the charge, PERIOD.
The surcharge is part of the PREMIUM being paid by enrollees. This is not a federal fund, this is PRIVATE dollars going into a fund to pay for abortions, so that no federal dollars are used for the procedures.
Never-mind the fact that this whole concept is backwards. My moral and religious beliefs are opposed to the death penalty. Does that mean the federal government shouldn’t be allowed to use federal dollars to exact this punishment? You may find abortion abhorrent, but it is still legal.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
I just faxed everyone one of my congressmen.
I am from Ga and they are all RINO and no one is running that is not in bed with the Liberals.
I have been going off on them with letter and faxes since last year about Obama being a dual citizen.
All I heard was nothing. So I put it all on my web page under the Obama link.
dixhistory.com
November 19th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
The Decline and Fall of the Democratic Party
by Harry Reid and Nancy Peolsi
2008-2010
Published by Liberal Caucus Press, International
2,074 pages in length
Not a Best Seller
Not ever read
Not going to be read
Should not pass ‘muster’
November 19th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Barack Obama promised transparency and he’s certainly delivering on that promise. That it’s an unintentional transparency would be humorous if not for the potentially grave consequences of the rampaging fiscal and moral responsibility involved in these unconstitutional bills. It is PATENTLY clear that this bill is about more than just healthcare, just as the Cap & Tax, or call it what you will, is about more than that to which its authors give lip service. These bills will culminate in what amounts to a total government takeover of every aspect of our lives. It’s all about control, control, control - control over us, and utter control of American politics that will eventually destroy the checks & balances so wisely instituted by the our founders. The ultimate goal is to change the American political system from a 2-party to a 1-party system that wields enormous power and control over the government. I believe that these people have been planning to mount a coups against the American people for years and it’s our job to see that it fails! Please continue calling your congressmen and senators urging them to vote no against these bills - and let’s blow the doors off the super majority in the 2010 midterm elections!
November 19th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
As much as I disagree with including the premiums and payments for abortions in this bill, we must not make this the ONLY issue raised in this power grab. We must take exception to the entire concept as presented by the liberal progressives and demand no government option, comprehensive tort reform, allowing states to buy/sell across state lines, and an accounting for EVERY cost associated with this bill.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Republicans must do whatever they can to stop this TRAVESTY of a “healthcare” bill….
By the way, why doesn’t anyone ever mention the fact that Margaret Sanger-Brown initally came up with “Planned Parenthood” in order to PREVENT/REDUCE the number of “black babies” who were being born in America??
The woman was an out-and-out RACIST, but you never hear ANYONE SAYING THAT!!!
November 19th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
Mr. Boehner,
Please get this through your head and the head of your minions here: Abortion is thoroughly *legal* in the USA! It is a medical procedure and it is not “murder”. If you do not want an abortion, do not get one! But don’t dare force your narrow-minded theocratic believes on Real American’s freedom to choose. Got it?
November 19th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
I wouldn’t be to sure about what you said Spence. Lot of RINO playing head and word games.
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spence Says:
November 19th, 2009 at 11:46 am
We’re praying for you Senator. We know you’ll do everything you can to stop this.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
I hope the republican congresspeople will be present for every minute of the reading of the BIll. Otherwise, it would be punitive and a waste of the taxpayers’ money to tie up the business of Congress on such a stunt.
I will not pay tax for wars of choice and erection-on- demand drugs and corporate welfare and criminal contractors and industry lobbyists and governments run by religion…
November 19th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Have they lost their minds completely? Reid and Pelosi, along with Hoyer and Biden MUST GO! How dare anyone in support of this plan call themselves Catholic? And still nothing about TORT REFORM?
LET’S MAKE THEM ABORT THIS PLAN, NOT BABIES! Remind them now that we will remember how they all vote on this bill when we vote in 2010 and 2012! Please don’t just blog, write and email and call your Congressional “representatives” - don’t ask them, tell them to represent you, not the ACLU, attorneys, and “Planned Parenthood” - what a misnomer that is!
November 19th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Continue the good fight. I’m from Alabama, and I am assured that Senators Shelby and Sessions will vote against Obamacare.
It is imperative to our freedom and nation sovereignty that this bill is denied even making it’s way to the floor.
Give me a list of Senators w/ email addresses that are on the fence, and I will contact them. Dems or Republicans.
If Congress forces this legislation down the tax paying hardworking responsible American’s throat, there will be a revolt.
This President is creating a class war between those that work and are responsible, and those that don’t. It’s that simple. I am always amazed at people from minority groups that have worked hard, and utilized the existing government programs to elevate themselves to a reponsible status. Then they turn around and promote letting everyone in their minority group getting elevated by handouts. Do they not realize that hard work and achievement create character. What a dumb question. Were dealing with generations where someone else has been supplying them with their livelyhood. Handouts don’t elevate, but they do dig a bigger hole. Give them the shovel of education, but if they don’t respond, just like in the Bible, we must dust off our feet and move on.
“Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Teach him how to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.”
Obama not only wants to give poor people a fish, but he wants to supply them with a lifetime of fish they didn’t catch or earn.
As long as hard working Americans will supply them with some of our fish, they’ll never work. But, they want more and more fish until they have equal or more than the one that works hard to provide them the fish.
I’ll be damned if they are going to get anymore of my fish!!!
Thanks for your leadership
Mike Allen
Florence, Alabama
November 19th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
I have not read all comments but may I offer a suggestion that you pass to Sen. McConnel that they fillabuster for the reading of the entire bill and while that is going on that every, yes every Republican sit in the chamber as it is read. It will tell the American public that you know what is in the bill and the press will not be able to get away without noting who is and who is not present. The campaign has already begun for 2010. Let’s all act like it.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
I think paying for other peoples healthcare is crazy, but if I need to pay for health care I’d love to pay for fewer people.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
Hey crazy people…the line reads Actuarial Value of Optional Service Coverage….nothing there about abortion….there is an existing law that bans the use of federal funds for abortion…..stop being stupid, wake up, your party has ruined this country over the last eight years and has lied to you every step of the way and you still believe them? Fool me once shame on you. Fool me for eight years and shame on me. Sad to see so many of you buying this c*** hook line and sinker. Now go report to your death panel you crazy lunatics.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
So killing babies and fetuses with bombs and poison is okay?
November 19th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
No!N0!NO! The plan does not require a monthly abortion fee. Can you people read? Can we dispense with death panels and abortion fees, and have a rational discussion of the merits of health care reform? How can supposed Christians be against helping the needy?
November 19th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
I’m appalled at all of our “elected” officials (check with lobbyists and ACORN on that elected part)COMPLETELY IGNORING THE CONSTITUTION, BILL OF RIGHTS, & THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE. THESE DOCUMENTS ARE ALL LAW AS DEFINED BY THE US GOVERNMENT CODE. I was a voting Republican for 30 years. I now know the truth about our “elected officials”. 95% of you are carpetbaggers and could care less about your constituents. You are ALL about money and power. May God have mercy on you, because none of the AMERICAN CONSERVATIVES WILL EVER BELIEVE YOU LYING THIEVES AGAIN.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
my problem with this is that sticking abortion to it gets people upset. Later they can buy votes *for* the health care bill by allowing the abortion provisions to be removed.
I’d prefer the abortion fee stay, IF that means even Democratic Senators will vote against the Health Care in the final vote.
We need reform for health care and that means getting the gov’t OUT of it, not in deeper.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
I absolutely, categorically agree on the abortion issue. To force strongly pro-life citizens through any means to contribute to any fund that will pay for abortion is wrong any way one looks at it. HOWEVER….by keeping conservatives focused so earnestly on the abortion issue, they are keeping us away from the much bigger and even more sinister picture the entire health care bill presents. Abortion is NOT the only pro-life issue this bill violates, with its rationing, end-of-life “advisory panels,” cuts in Medicare, and other mandatory requirements that will, in effect, end lives at the other end of the spectrum. We must remember that pro-lifers believe in protecting life from conception TO NATURAL DEATH. That includes providing the best possible health care even for those the liberals would deem not worthy of care, such as the disabled, the elderly, and others for whom the cost of care might outweigh their “relative value to society.” To us, one’s intrinsic value is not measured by what one can or cannot give to society, but simply in the fact that God, our Creator, has in His infinite wisdom, chosen us from the beginning of time to exist in the time and place when and where we are born and live. Because He is God and we are not, we do not have the right to say when life begins and ends; thus, it is only given to us to work to best of our ability to care for what God has given. This health care bill is detrimental to that end, and as such, must be fought against with all our mind, heart and strength. God help us in that fight.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
To John Smith:
Um..that unborn baby is NOT the mother’s body. It is a being of its own.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
The idea that health care is a right that should be provided rather than a service to be purchased is wrong now somehow abortion is consider healthcare I am aware of women who have had abortions three and four times as a method of birth control. How is this healthcare and how can a free republic force citizens to pay for it. How can congress and the president force us to purchase anything. The law that requires you to buy auto insurance applys to a car not a person and only if you choose to buy a car.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
The idea that health care is a right that should be provided rather than a service to be purchased is wrong now somehow abortion is consider healthcare I am aware of women who have had abortions three and four times as a method of birth control. How is this healthcare and how can a free republic force citizens to pay for it. How can congress and the president force us to purchase anything. The law that requires you to buy auto insurance applys to a car not a person and only if you choose to buy a car. Change is coming again the sooner the better
November 19th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Is it not ironic that in the US we put people in jail who organize and bet on dog fighting yet we pay, let me repeat that WE PAY people who organize and perform abortions. Abortion is murder and our government should get out of the abortion business. Any legislator who votes for abortion funding, no matter which party their in, should be voted out.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Dear Congressman Boehner:
I am not in your district (oh would that I were, so I could vote and campaign for you) because I live in Akron, but I had to take a moment to tell you how much my husband and I appreciate everything you are trying to do to put the brakes on the Crazytown Express that is barrelling along out of Washington and making every effort to run America into the ground. Please know that we and millions of other Americans really appreciate your steadfastness to your ideals and your ceaseless efforts to have common sense prevail.
God Bless you for all that you do,
Sincerely,
Mark and Cynthia Cook
November 19th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
This reminds me of when our forefathers debated over the slavery issue. It was decided that slavery would be left in place because of political pressure. Most knew it to be evil, but because there were powerful parties who wanted slavery to continue, it did. In time abortion will be recognized for the evil that it is, as slavery finally was. One day abortions will end, but a terrible price must be paid by the most innocent until that day arrives.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Result of mandatory abortion payments with your tax money: massive disobedience on tax submissions. Government revenues down 65%. Massive violence expected.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
It is more than a little ironic that those who complain about the size of the bill and the “fact” that nobody has actually read it themselves draw conclusions without reading the bill. It is downright shameful that a Congressional leader would deliberately misrepresent the bill in order to fire up emotions in service of that politician’s political goals. Here is what the bill actually says (numbers for clarity):
1) At least one plan in the public option must provide coverage for abortion services and at least one must not provide coverage;
2) FOR THE PLAN(S) THAT DO provide such coverage, the Secretary shall estimate the average actuarial cost of those services, in an amount not less than $1 per enrollee IN A PLAN THAT DOES PROVIDE SUCH COVERAGE.
3) The issuer of a PLAN THAT DOES PROVIDE SUCH COVERAGE shall segregate an amount equal to that estimate and shall keep it separate from funds received from the government.
It isn’t that hard to read a bill if you try. Basically, the structure is this: Section 1303(a)(2)(A) bans the use of federal funds for abortion services. Section 1303(a)(2)(B) says, “In the case of a plan to which subparagraph (A) applies, the issuer of the plan shall, out of amounts not described in subparagraph (A), segregate an amount equal to the actuarial amounts determined under subparagraph (C) for all enrollees from the amounts described in subparagraph(A).” Section 1303(a)(2)(C), in turn, provides for the actuarial estimate of the cost of abortion services for a plan that does provide such services. The whole point of this paragraph is to ensure that federal funds — that is, your tax dollars — are not used to provide abortion services. It accomplishes this by estimating the cost of the services for a plan that provides them and then taking that cost out of the premiums PAID BY THE PEOPLE ENROLLED IN THAT PLAN and segregating it from any federal funds. Since none of you will be enrolling in a plan that provides abortion services, this is completely irrelevant to you other than that it ensures that your tax dollars will not pay for such services.
It bothers me that everyone jumps on the bandwagon, but I can’t really blame people who are not lawyers and do not have experience reading legislation. Boehner knows better and simply doesn’t care what he tells you as long as it serves his purposes.
Let’s see how long this post survives before it is removed because it doesn’t fit the script.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
Dear Congressman Boehner:
Thank you for all of your work and efforts in support of the majority of Americans. The elected officials on the left are not listening to what the majority of Americans want. Keep up the good fight. May God bless you.
Patricia W. Viets
Waldorf, MD
November 19th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
You have no right making me an accomplice to murder!
November 19th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
Dear sir, it is not very Christian to mislead people in such a way. Thank you and have a good day.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Why would you lie to your constituents, and no. this is not a rhetorical question. You are lying. No one is using tax dollars to pay for abortions. No one has since the Hyde amendment was passed. You are lying. You are lying. You are lying.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Count me in with the four comments above.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
PLEASE STOP THESE cOMMUNISTS AT ALL COSTS!
November 19th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
In 1973 I was astounded with Roe v Wade. What has this world come to… that our legislators think that they can throw someone in jail for refusing to pay for someone elses abortion! What authority does Congress have to levy taxes to pay for others’ health care? The democrats never talk of virtues such as integrity, self reliance, and honor. All they think about is what they can do to empower themselves and tear down those who have worked hard. The words of John F. Kennedy have fallen on deaf ears [”…ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country…”] The democratic party only asks “what can the government do for me…” or rather, “how much can I steal from productive members of society so that I can enslave the lazy, indolent class.”
November 19th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
We all know that the RNC’s health plan for employees covers abortion. The party may have opted out of that coverage, but the money the party pays in goes into a risk pool that pays for abortions. Opting out of the coverage doesn’t change that at all.
It seems to me that the GOP might do something about the glass house they live in before they start collecting stones to throw.
The RNC needs to find an insurance plan that doesn’t cover abortion before they have any moral standing to attack forcing people to pay for abortion.
Good luck with that.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
This is going to lead to a large number of us withholding our taxes to prevent our money from funding abortion. My money will NOT be used to fund the killing of innocent babies!!!
November 19th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
Dear GOP leader press office,
You seem to have misunderstood the legislation you are citing.
Firstly, under the currently applicable legislation, which is the Hyde Amendment, the use of Federal funds to provide abortion coverage save in cases of rape, incest, or mortal risk is explicitly prohibited. This is the determination of ‘abortions for which public funding is allowed’ that 2245(a)(2)(B) refers to.
Secondly, the minimum $1 surcharge referred to in the legislation is to be charged *only* to those who subscribe to a plan (these are multiple private plans offered through a government exchange, not a singular public plan) which offers abortion coverage for which the use of public funding is prohibited. Just as the HHS Secretary is charged with ensuring that such a plan *is* offered through the exchange, so they are charged with ensuring that A PLAN WHICH DOES NOT OFFER SUCH ABORTION COVERAGE IS AVAILABLE to everyone who wants to join such a plan, and their money will NOT be used to pay for such abortions.
The prospect of health care regulation is a difficult and complex one, and I am concerned that your unfamiliarity with legislative language has resulted in such alarming and distressing assertions. I believe that you should consult more closely with legally accredited members of Representative Boehner’s staff when preparing press releases about pending legislation. The understanding of the legislation which you represent to the public is often taken to be the Representative’s own, and so it is important that you avoid errors that would tend to be embarrassing to the congressman.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
It’s time to march on Washington and drag all of these crooks out of office and take our country back. Both parties have betrayed the American people. If we don’t stand up now it will be too late.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Yes - I think it is abhorrent to have to fund morally objectional projects - like “proactive” war, torturing prisoners, and denying our fellow citizens - born and unborn - equal rights. After Abortion, will you be taking a stand to help the rest? Or is just the unborn worthy of attention?
November 19th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Sen. Boehner - you appear to be misleading your readers. The abortion premium is for people enrolled in the government plan that covers abortions SPECIFICALLY SO THAT TAX PAYERS ARE NOT PAYING FOR ABORTIONS. And, if people do not want to enroll in that plan, they can enroll in the alternate government run plans that don’t cover abortions (you seemed to forget to mention that the bill requires plans that don’t cover abortions)
November 19th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
START CALLING YOUR SENATORS NOW….DO NOT LET UP…WE MUST STOP THIS. We got a glimpse yesterday of the rationing of care when A government agency declared women less that 50 and older than 75 WILL NOT GET MAMMOGRAMS. tHE GOVERNMENT NOT YOUR DOCTOR WILL DECIDE WHO GETS WHAT TREATMENT AND WHEN IF EVER…IT IS WHAT THEY WANT! This is just the start. The exact agency and it’s “suggestions” have the force of law if these bills get passed! These bills will take your money and happily pay for abortions and sex change operations but not mammograms!
November 19th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
What part of NO do the liberals in Congress not understand? Americans will not pay for abortions with tax money. If killing babies is so important to them, let them start their own private foundation to fund abortions.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
US Congress and Senate have indebted American citizens at the rate of $344,683 EACH. The total net worth of all Americans is $1.57 Trillion, or $241,209 EACH. Big difference between what we have, and what elected officials spent.
The $106,143,098,676,273 that we are indebted as a nation that can never be paid off….we don’t have the money. (In case you ran out of fingers that is $106 trillion dollars in debt.)
We must stop this health care bill which will make our lives and economy worse.
The current Health Care Bill being considered will drive the final stake in the American economy
*Taxation on small business payrolls
*Taxation on premium insurance plans
*Taxation on medical devices
*Taxation on services
*Fines and penalties
*Totalitarian agencies like the Health Choices Commission & Commissioner.
*Over two dozen new federal agencies, all of which don’t produce one thing, they only waste Taxpayer money and screw up our systems.
Worst of all the government take over of the US health care system. The United States Government has failed running big institutions on a sound fiscal basis. This bill not only sets out to destroy the private insurance sector, but also our culture and the finest health care delivery system on the planet.
I am devastated, if this Bill passes I will close the doors of my small business, we cannot afford the increased costs and regulations…..my clients would never pay us 25% more in fees for services than they do now, and that is what the regulation requiring providing 68% of insurance costs to temporary employees (who only work for us 21% of the year) would cost.
If this Bill passes you will see a Revolution at the polls during the coming elections. WE the People are fed up with elected representatives who spend and spend and spend without restrain, common sense….and possibly without constitutional authority.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
The idea of Reid’s plan funding abortions is totally absurd and un-American. What is happening to our country and the Constitution?
November 19th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Well, this is certainly a selective and imaginative reading of the bill. I do not agree with your assessment, and would suggest you re-read the sections in question and revise your statement to reflect the facts. Shrill and alarmist partisan rhetoric will not help advance any cause but your own reelection, and if you care about more than keeping your seat (like looking after the best–not narrowest–interests most of the people who are commenting here), you will tone it down and try to move in a positive direction–whether you choose to be more liberal or less.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Sir,
I appreciate your diligence in fighting back this attempt to install a full blown soft fascism in our country..
As an independent voter who is libertarian in nature, i cringe at the absolute disaster Obama is inflicting on our country with his compatriots in the house and senate.. Keep up the fight, make sure you expose all RINOS who vote with Pelosi, so they can be ousted in 2010..
November 19th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
This bill is unconstitutional and immoral to the worst scale. Despise any president who signs it, and impeach any president who executes it. This cannot stand if there is a God.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
I can only hope that every American voter will “toss out” - in November 2010 - each and every representative or senator who votes for this misguided and deceitful health care bill. The congress and the senate must truly believe that the American citizens are idiots. Unfortunately, if we don’t vote them out of office, we may well be.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
To all of the right-wing, fundamentalist, right-to-life wackos who have written these comments, I would just like to say this:
If you cared half as much about our young people being killed and maimed in the middle east as you do about a few unborn cells, maybe we could end these mindless wars. Also, if right-to-lifers would accept birth control and other means to end unwanted pregnancies they could go a long way towards accomplishing their goal of no abortions. If you don’t like abortions, don’t have one. If you insist on controlling the woman next door, I say go to hell.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
If they make taxpayers pay for abortions they will have a revolution on their hands.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Our nation and economy are now feeling the effects of 50 million US citizens that were killed at or before birth. Estimated 50 MILLION babies killed since 1973. They were supposed grow up, take on jobs, contribute to society, and pay into social security. We have lost resourcefulness and have steadily given our competitive advantage to other nations. You don’t break God’s laws; they break you. Our problem is self inflicted. We must fight this ugly piece of socialism and the cast of characters associated with it.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
I don’t agree with abortion at all, but the way that reads, only people who plan to have abortions will be paying any abortion premiums. I don’t like that there will be any abortions covered, but this in no way forces unwilling Americans to fund abortion coverage.
And no, they won’t be using your money to fund abortions. PERIOD.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
If…IF this passes, it is my hope that tens of thousands of Americans will stand with me and withold a portion of their taxes, and yes, even go to prison over this “abortion” of a bill.
I pay about 30% of my income in taxes each year already, and guess who won’t have any income if he’s in Jail? Me..and you…and tens of thousands of other Americans.
If April 15, 2011 comes and goes and the US State’s Attorney offices throughout the land are facing prosecutions for tens of thousands of Americans in a massive show of civil disobedience, that will send an extremely powerful message, and the Democrats will be severely tested on their own “virtues” of how governments treat their people.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Lyle,
good question about capital punishment. I don’t beleive in killing people animals or babies (people)for any reason, it reminds me of the irony that almost 100% of pro-abortionists are also animal rights activists!
Its ok to kill a baby but not eat a hamburger
Sorry to bust your bubble on accusing people of being hypocrits :)You can always find a way to use reverse psychology but most people are wise to it.
November 19th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Sir,
I am a medically retired Army officer and a current federal employee. I am also a Roman Catholic Deacon and I understand very well that for me to directly pay (even through Sen. Reid’s dollar tax) would be a material contribution to the procurement of an abortion. This would be a grave moral evil and endanger my soul. For this reason I will not contribute to the Democrat party’s plan to force Americans to fund an intrinsically evil act. I have served my country in war and peace but I will not bow to evil. Therefore, if this bill becomes law, I will serve the required time in prison but I can not ever give in to materially contributing to such a morally evil act.
Deacon Hock
November 19th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
Senate Rule XIV (paragraph 2) states that every bill and joint resolution “shall receive three readings prior to its passage.
This health care bill is a an abomination! It is not a step in the wrong direction, rather, it is a giant leap off the cliffs of free market, into the valley of crushing debt and despair!
Please give your unequivocal support to Senator Coburn in making sure that this rule is actually seen through to its end! The Democrats will undoubtedly motion to end the reading, you have a duty to your supporters and America to object and see it through no matter how long it takes.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Please doeverything you can to stop this bill and this section on abortion, this entire process is uncontinutional in my mind
November 19th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
I will go to jail before I pay $.01 for an abortion fee on this health bill. As a Roman Catholic and a human being, I would never support the murder of an unborn child. Are these people kidding us? Please continue to fight this battle.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
Shame on you, Sen. Boehner, misleading the American people about the proposed health care provisions yet again. The provision you’re citing (p. 122, line 11) is only a fragment of that part of the bill relating to abortion. When read it context, it is clearly the mechanism for maintaining the status quo as it relates to abortions, i.e., NO FEDERAL FUNDING FOR ABORTIONS! The section instructs qualified health plan providers on how to segregate funds the plan may derive under this bill and assure than none go to pay for abortion services (for example, see p. 121, line 8 thru p. 122, line 10). Folks, the bill is available online in pdf format, easily searchable. READ IT FOR YOURSELVES. http://democrats.senate.gov/reform/patient-protection-affordable-care-act.pdf
November 19th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
This whole healthcare bill is completely UNCONSTITUTIONAL not to mention that they want to add abortion coverage…is there anyone out there filing lawsuits to get this stopped?? Join or form a healthcare protest in your local city/town ASAP before it passes.
What will befall this country will be terrible if we let this pass. We will have ourselves to blame for not stopping this.
God help us.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Representative Boehner, Thank you for standing up against this attack on our country. Our country has been successful because we were founded as a free republic. We do not want to be part of a collective state. This bill is big step further in that direction.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
The abortion inclusion is merely a red herring. They included it in the house bill so that it could be defeated by the blue dogs who then summarily voted for the remaining turd of a bill. Same thing will happen in the senate. The abortion sections will get defeated, the dems will have some cover next november, and an unholy and effectively unconstitutional bill will get rammed down our throats.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
Make certain that EVERY congress person that supports it is voted out next time they are up for election. Replace them with people who will repeal it should it become law. How’s that change you all wanted working out now?
November 19th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
If you were a Republican or Independent who did not vote for John McCain, or switched parties to vote for Obama….these are the fruits that you have sown. You didn’t think this would happen, did you? You thought, well….it’s about time those Republican’s “learned a lesson”. This is what happens when Republicans get lazy and careless.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Stand up and have the bill read before the Senate. I understand that there can be up to three readings. Please do all of them!! I do not support any of this bill, let alone the provision for American funded elective abortions. It’s time to remember that the Congressmen and Senators work for us!!!
November 19th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
This whole concept is flawed from the get-go. Besides being COMPLETELY unconstitutional, it won’t work! Republicans need to focus on the intrusion of government in our lives and not simply the abortion argument.
That said, I hope my representatives are prepared to take me to jail by FORCE because I WILL NOT PAY FOR ABORTIONS! I have always been a law-abiding citizen whose most egregious law breaking was a speeding ticket. If this passes, I will become an outlaw overnight because I WILL NOT COMPLY. You may take my possessions and even my freedom, but never my soul. And you will not get my help in destroying others.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
There are not words to describe the type of person I feel Harry Reid to be. NO WORDS in the English language!
He and Pelosi are steam-rolling over the majority of Americans to gain POWER. That is his game, POWER.
Hopefully he will meet defeat in 2010, but it may be too late for us.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
House Leader Boehner:
Thank you for pointing out that the abortion option remains intact in this health care fiasco! I WILL NOT pay for anyone’s abortion and I WILL NOT have the government force met to do so.
The entire Health Care Reform needs to go down in flames. A majority of Americans are voicing their disapproval and rejection, but the House of Dems is determined to destroy our health care system with the only ultimate gain of total political control. HCR has NOTHING to do with actually providing high quality adequate health care! Thank you House Leader Boehner for being a real man, one with a conscience and speaking up for those who have no voice…..the unborn.
LH, Seattle, WA.(retired RN)
November 19th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Since ABC, CBS and NBC love their pols who wants to bet when we will see one asking the public what percentage wants to automatically pay for abortions with their health care premium. I bet we never it. I agree with the statements that the whole bill stinks and needs to be defeted but disagree that you should not focus on abortion. It is the one issue that will bring about the personal rage needed to defeat the bill. Keep pushing this issue make it hit the general public. It is the silver bullet.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
My son who has had 3 heart surgeries has been visited by two “friends” who after several years of talking about them, I determined that they must have been Angels.
On July 22 my wife conceived (according to the date calculation). On the 23rd my son told her “Mommy, what you have in there is a baby”, which at the time, she didn’t think much of.
When she felt something was “different” less than 2 weeks later, she got a pregnancy test. Mind you, she was not even late. It was positive. The next day she went to the doctor and the ultrasound was able to pick up not one, but TWO heartbeats. My son was right, and given his history may have gotten that information from up above.
Only 2 weeks after conception, there were two beating hearts. How can abortion NOT be killing life?
November 19th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
The politicians have way to much power!
They live way beyond the average american and try to buy votes through legislation! Abortion is a choice and should be for those who pay for it! The more the governement mandates the more we lose our FREEDOM!!
We need term limits!! Modest pay and the same benefits we all get for social security!
November 19th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Please do everything possible to create a united front against this bill. It is against everything America was founded on…please fight it!
November 19th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Let me be clear:
If funding is provided for abortion using public (tax) funds I will refuse to pay my taxes. And I will yell at the top of my lungs to all who will hear. Fine me, penalize me, jail me, seize my property…whatever. I WILL NOT be a party to the death mill
November 19th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Please fight with all your strength and might against the democrats and their insanely evil “healthcare” plan. I will be praying for the Republicans to be able to fight and win!
November 19th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
The line has been drawn in the sand. Do we cave and lose our freedom or do we stand up and say “NO” more. We are at a tipping point and if we go to the dark side, our freedom is gone forever. We are on the verge of becoming Venzuela and Mexico. Obama and Sterns are transforming our country on purpose to fit their Marxist ways. The question is….are our politicians more afraid of Obama and Sterns or the American people. If they vote for this bill, they will have destroyed the American people forever.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
How many people who wrote comments have adopted a child?
If you have not adopted yet, why not?
November 19th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
What if they take out the abortion provision in conference? What then? Are you all for it? This thing stinks to high heaven with or without the abortion provision. It is an outright assault on liberty.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
I cannot in good conscience contribute in any way to publicly funded abortions. To make me do so is to step on my right to freedom of religion.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Throw me in jail = I’ll lose my job, won’t pay taxes, my kids will get free college tuition since Daddy’s unemployed/jailed especially if they play the minority card, I will get free healthcare in jail and I still will NOT pay for abortions.
Dems and Obama are going to lose huge in 2010. Please keep it up, Harry, Nancy, ACORN, Timmy Giethner, please, please keep veering off the left cliff.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Lyle Says:
November 19th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
I wonder how many of you anti-abortion people are for capital punishment?]
And I wonder why Pro Abortion people believe it is ok to sentence unborn INNOCENT babies to death by burning them with saline and/or sucking their brains out? What have babies done to deserve a torture style death sentences?
November 19th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Stick to your principles. This whole health plan is a disaster in the making. We cannot accept socialized medicine. They claim it will pay for itself. Please! We are not as naive or stupid as they think we are. If this does go through, we should stand up as Americans and refuse to pay even one dollar a month to go towards the murder of our innocent children.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
Kill the “Bill” not the “Baby”!!!!
November 19th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
John Smith Says:
November 19th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
You all hypocrites. The majority of Americans support a womens right to choose what to do with her body. (The unborn baby is not the woman’s body, and your numbers don’t hold up either way.) Get out of the dark ages. (Displays your abysmal understanding of the dark ages.) If I had my way, I would choose not to pay taxes to fund a war that kills thousands of people who had no plans to harm us. (Any under what system of morality would you arrive at your decision?) … Grow up all of you. (So because we believe in God and believe that His moral laws are just as immutable as His physical laws, we are somehow less mature than you? OK, give it your best shot, what is the basis for your system of beliefs?)
November 19th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
To all of us who will never pay the abortion premium: pack a toothbrush because if this Obamanation passes, you are going to jail.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Don’t be fooled. The DEMS completely know what they are doing. This part of the plan will be used as a bargaining chip just as it was in the House. “Giving up” on this part of the bill by the Dems will be seen by some Republicans as cover for them to move over to support the bill.
It is the Dems attempt to load the bill with something they KNOW will not be supported only to use it to get R support later on.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Really? Do you guys not know how to read????
It’s right there beginning on line 11, page 122, section 1303, under “Actuarial Value of Optional Service Coverage.” The premium will be paid into a U.S. Treasury account – and these federal funds will be used to pay for the abortion services.
- keyword. optional services. Even if you are accept the government plan, the service is optional. You DO NOT have to enroll in this service. It’s only when you enroll, you pay a fee!!! Jesus Christ people..
November 19th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
I agree, I dont want to pay for it either, but many people who oppose capital punishment arent up in arms where they live in a state that puts poople to death… Who do you think is paying for that?? You are in your tax dollars, so what the difference??
Mark
November 19th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
In my opinion, failure by leadership of the majority party to make the proposed any legislation available for review and failing to allow adequate time for either house of Congress and the people to review & understand financial implications is a breach of their oath of office and to protect and defend our rights under the Constitution of the U.S. and/or a breach of their fiduciary duty to We the People.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Our congress and the Obama admistration apparently are not listinig to a large percentage of AMERICANS, so lets send a silent message; we should, if we disagree with Washington, request a legal extension of our 2009 tax payment to the last possible date. Maybe then they will hear us.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
I will not pay a dime towards abortion services. This is a chance for ALL opposed to this abomination to take a stand and be accountable. There may be a price to pay, a financial penalty, but at least you will not be supporting or endorsing this heinous act.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Everyone needs to check your religious views at the door. Health Care is not a religious issue.
STOP making health care a religious issue; otherwise the only solution would be to offer insurance by a persons religion.
How many version of health care would that be;
Christianity Health Care
Islam Health Care
Buddhism Health Care
Hinduism Health Care
Atheism Health Care
Judaism Health Care
Bahai Health Care
Candomble Health Care
Jainism Health Care
Jehovah’s Witnesses Health Care
Mormons Health Care
Paganism Health Care
Rastafari Health Care
Shinto Health Care
Sikhism Health Care
Taoism Health Care
Unitarianism Health Care
Zoroastrianiam Health Care
Etc…
November 19th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Please don’t get sidetracked on side issues. Kill The Bill.
Then go back to the stimulus law and kill the government healthcare provisions that never should have been approved.
No matter what, kill the bill.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
I will not be assisting mothers to abort their babies. Does this mean I will have to go to jail now because I am pro life?
November 19th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
Honorable Senator Boehner,
I oppose the entire bill on constitutional grounds. Further, it and nearly every other bill the democrats are bringing up are nothing less than nefarious moves to crush our economy. For saddling us all with debt we can ill afford in our current economic situation is nothing less than nefarious. We have the White House pumping lies about the effect of the stimulus package, unemployment at record levels, national debt at record levels, spending at record levels. All the while the President pushes for this reckless spending he tells us we need to stop or it will wreck our economy further.
I agree with other posters, if the people restore the Republicans to power in 2010 then there should be a guarantee to immediately repeal in full any of this hogwash the democrats are shoving down the throats of the American People against their will.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
From my cold, dead wallet…
November 19th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
All my fellow pro-lifers here screaming that abortion goes against their religious beliefs….well, get ready, because once the Hate Crimes bill goes into effect, you won’t have any right to even speak! Your religious freedom is loooooong gone. That is, unless your’e a Muslim.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
If you don’t want taxpayer money to go for abortion, fine. The better alternative is to provide complete coverage of contraceptives, something that everyone has ignored.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
When in the course of human events . . .
Throw these bums out of office in the next election.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
It will benefit us in the long run to speak truth about this bill, not make up ridiculous lies and garbage like this. We respectfully ask Rep. Boehner to actually find something true to talk about. This garbage and boldfaced lies turns off independents and sane people.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
Dear Rep Boehner:
As a responsible law-abiding citizen, Pro-Life Roman Catholic, I will go to JAIL rather than pay for Murdering babies!!!
It is appalling that President Obama, Sen Reid and Pelosi and all the followers that want to control all aspects of a person’s life via Government-run healthcare and rob ALL American citizens of their Freedom and Liberty and incentives to be a responsible, self reliant person via a checking account EFT to pay for ABORTIONS AND FREE ILLEGAL ALIEN HEALTHCARE!!
How can this ideology “PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC?”
Rep Boehner, I pray that you the courage to stand up and fight for the Freedoms and Liberties that the Founding Fathers gave All Americans in the US Constitution.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Never say Never! You may have to die for your beliefs. It is coming to that, sadly! Meanwhile, don’t sit on your laurels, get busy defending your beliefs, your freedom, the very thing this country was founded on!!!
November 19th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
I am pro-choice and I do not want to subsidize anyways abortions, ever. I really can’t believe this congress and president, wake the hell up.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
No. They can arrest me and toss me in jail. I will not pay for murder.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
Just to play devils advocate -
If what many of you are saying is true, that Abortion is Wrong, and using federal funds to pay for them is therefore wrong (or even if you are pro choice, you believe that it’s something that the government shouldn’t get involved with)
then what about the pacifist who pays taxes for the military?
or the Peta member who believes that eating animals is murder who pays taxes for farm subsidies that helps Cattle Ranchers?
or or the family that pays taxes that go towards education even though the child is home schooled or goes to private school?
Why don’t we cut out funding preventable disease care as well?
I don’t want my money to pay for someone’s heart attack because he spent his life eating McDonalds, or for someone’s Lung Cancer because he Smoked his whole life. But I’ll probably end up paying for that
My point is that there are always going to be things that people don’t agree their taxes should go towards, and if everyone decided that they were morally opposed and therefore won’t pay taxes for it, then this America will be in worse shape than it already is.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
How is this possible in America? How can they levy an unlawfull bill after America has repeatedly rejected it. And then to push the abortion issue over and over again. God bless you as you help make a stand for America. We are tired of this big govbernment expansion and will stand by you in the next elections.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
I am 36 yrs old and a veteran of OIF II and have never been so disgusted with the ballooning lunacy seen every day now since 2006. I want my country back. We can not afford any of it. People are suffering under the economic policies, and the Gubmant is shoving Bills down our throats. Thanks for trying to stop this Partisan monstosity. PS try to stop Snowe and Graham from flip flopping on this one!! I am absolutely sure this bill will make healthcare more epensive than my current employer care, But I am not so sure my employerthey will continue to provide the benefits after a monstrosity such as thuis passes. NO WAY OUT!!
November 19th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
Count me in as one who will go to jail before I ever pay a dime for someone else to murder their child. This whole bill is a piece of crap but the abortion provision is an abomination. I will not stand in front of my god on judgement day in shame when i am asked what i did to stop this.
I feel so helpless to the changes that are occurring in OUR contry. I pray that my 9 year old daughter can continue to experience the greatness that is The United States of America. Sadly, if this bill passes in any of the current forms proposed, that will not be the case.
November 19th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
This is just a plan to get you guys on the right all rialed up about something nobody has any interest in passing. Then while youre all whining about how much Democrats enjoy killing babies and spending all your time and effort getting it striken from the bill we can pass meaningful health care reform. That’s how it’s done in America my friends.
November 19th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
I am a Roman Catholic, a conservative Republican, a 21 year veteran of the US Navy, and an opponent of abortion but I have to ask, did any of you who commented actually read the bill. It does not make anybody pay for abortions. Like the house bill it makes the minimum fee for participation in the health care plan $1.00. It does not levy a fee of $1 on everybody to cover elective abortions and this is very different from what is purported to be. It’s actions like this where we twist the wording so much that our analysis gets so skewed that it does not resemble reality in the slightest that is giving our party a bad name and turning the people of this country against us. When we do this it makes it very easy for the Democrats to respond and looker better at governing. Any idiot can make these kind of arguments. Why can’t our elected Republicans muster a real argument.
November 19th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
This is a call to action for all who are incensed at this US Congressional attempt to violate our First Amendment Right of Freedom of Religion and our free exercise thereof! “Congress shall make NO LAW respecting an establishment of religion, or the free exercise thereof”…and THIS CONGRESS is doing exactly that through the assessment of a fee on every US Citizen regardless of our religious deference to abortions!
Should this provision survive passage through both Houses of the Congress and signature of the President, I call upon every US Citizen to act, through peaceful means, to assemble and petition to the US Supreme Court that a Constitutional Crisis is at hand and in need of immediate action of the Court to find this Law in violation of the US Constitution and therefore unlawful!
Everyone MUST copy this message and immediately issue it to your respective US Congressional representative letting them know that you fully intend to join in this call to action and see it through to the US Supreme Court! DO THIS NOW! Also forward this same message to every Editor and Publisher in your local Press, as well as radio and television producers so they recognize the seriousness of our intent!
It is time we take our responsibilities as We The People with utmost haste!
Thank you,
John Bernardo
November 19th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
This is absolutely unacceptable! Even worse… this is a diversion! The murder of innocents is a DIVERSION!
While we debate the lightning rod that is abortion (being covered by the bill) the rest of this ridiculous legislation will go thru un-covered and unread.
I’m whole-heartedly against abortion, but dont waste all your “bullets” fighting this battle and miss the war.
November 19th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Pelosi and Reid are the henchman for the least qualified president in the history of this country. People don’t understand that this unemployment is all part of the plan to make people indebted to services provided by government. The more umemployed the more people are having to be without health insurance because they cannot afford private programs or Cobra. Thus the government steps in as the saviour and we have nothing to say about it until 2010.
I feel the ground swell of a revolution, one that will allow us to take back our country and fight of socialism. Write your representatives, and when the next elections do come around, donate and volunteer. This is our country and we will not let our freedom be stolen away.
God Bless America.
November 19th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Kill this bill, not babies!!!
I will never ever pay an abortion fee, so I will go to jail for not having health insurance. So be it.
Harry Reid should be kicked out of Washington AND excommunicated from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Pray for our Republic!
November 19th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
I would suggest the Congressman ask for support from the ACLU in protecting our Freedom of Religion rights. I am a Catholic and will refuse payment to anyone or anything that funds abortions.
November 19th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Please encourage all you know to not let this bill pass. Our country is headed down a slippery slope when we allow our goverment, as a matter of policy, to pay for the taking of life.
November 19th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
You better start building a lot of jails because the productive workers in this country will not fund liberals desire to murder babies. Who will fund the running of this country??? I will not pay for the libs rights to murder babies.
November 19th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
I am sooo against this - our government is taking advantage of us - they are taking over. Thomas Jefferson once said “My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.” He was way ahead of his time. Please help the babies!!!!
November 19th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
After all the stink about the abortion, they will probably put some amendment against abortion funding into the Senate bill (like they put in the Stupak amendment for the House) to get support and the votes. Then (if they get the votes they need) when the bill passes they will just change their minds and put the abortion clause back in with some loop hole or some amendment… fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. They want abortion and they will get it in there, one way or the other… VOTE NO, NO, NO ON THE HEALTH CARE TAKE OVER BILL.
November 19th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
I appreciate you getting the truth out there about this bill, please continue to fight for the millions of Americans who disagree with this legislation and all it includes.
November 19th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
Dear Congressman,
please fight this disaster as hard and as long as you can. This is a travesty, and cannot be allowed to become law in this country. Do everything in your power to eliminate it - my prayers are with you sir - and with the Republican members of Congress who stand in defiance of this path to Hell.
Thank you. You’re a true American Sir.
November 19th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
I will not pay for abortions, I am a pro-life mother of 4 and grandmother…all life is precious and to give others free abortions is against what the majority of Americans believe in. These are ELECTED officials, sent to REPRESENT the people, not dictators.
The entire health care “change” is such a scam. The entire bill needs to be thrown out immediately.
November 19th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
This Health Kill Plan must be stopped.
November 19th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
It is unconstitutional and against my religion to murder! They will have to put me in jail and more than half of the country. What will they do then, use their dissenter camps? Americans should start actions to accuse this administration for what it is doing to our freedoms, constitution and country. We need to stop putting our heads in the sand.
November 19th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Democrats have chosen to view the value of life as being how much a person can produce. Everyone remember this at the next election when they start with their “there are other issues besides murdering babies” crap. They are on the road to completely ruining the United States of America. God help us.
November 19th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
If any aspect of the Democratic Health Reform bill is passed then God help the United States
November 19th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Not only is it wrong to force people to pay for abortion coverage, but the bigger issue that everyone is missing is that it WRONG and UNAMERICAN to force people to BUY ANYTHING whether it be health coverage, onions, or underwear!
November 19th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Pelosi is a CINO {catholic in name only} I;ll not pay for murder of the unborn,this is a terrible take over of our great health system,I feel a tax revolt is coming,if we dont pay they cant steal!
November 19th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
What in the hell does it take for you people to listen to us, the ones that you are working for? What don’t you understand about ” WE THE PEOPLE”? Either you bozos get your act together or get your resumes together because come next election, your all going home and getting in the unemployment line. W’ll see how you like it.
November 19th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
The hypocritical “choice” Democrats are at it again. That party has lost all honor and decency.
November 19th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
This is an outrage!!! I will not pay for other people to kill their babies. This bill is UNGODLY and UNAMERICAN.
Thanks Senator, for doing your utmost to kill this bill.
November 19th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
2010 could not come fast enough. This blatant act shows why there should be term limits for all the branches of the government including the supreme court. This tax will be challenged in court and we should not be forced to pay for someone to kill their children. These politicians don’t get it. We should vote them out and make sure that we are governed by people who love this country.
November 19th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
What a pathetic joke these “Republicans” are. They controlled all branches of government for many years that they kept giving billions to the baby killers at Planned Parenthood. You morons that vote Republican deserve what you get. Even now with a Communist president they don’t have the guts to promote legislation to unfund abortion, or PBS or welfare or head start or ANYTHING. Modern “Republicans” are for everything and against nothing.
November 19th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
Why is anyone worried about abortion being in the Bill? Don’t you remember that Obama said he would not sign a bill that required the funding of abortions? Don’t you remember the Representative “inappropriately” calling him a liar?
Barrack Obama Hmm Hmm Hmm!
November 19th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
Politicians and legislators should not be involved in ANY personal healthcare decision. PERIOD.
November 19th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
The Stupak amendment language MUST be added to the final bill. It is ridiculous how our elected representatives keep behaving, and it will stop or they will be forced out of office next November. They’d better be watching…
November 19th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
Dear Senator Boehner: This is yet another attempt by the Dems to cram this 2074 page load of c*** down our throats.
I appreciate your standing against these insane bills, but what the Congress needs to do is LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE! WE DO NOT WANT SOCIALIZED MEDICINE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM!
Send me an email - I’ll be glad to talk to you further.
I have lots of good ideas and I’ll bet the other folks who have commented do as well.
All of Congress needs to go back home and listen to their constituents!
November 19th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Sorry, I vote no, will not spend money for anyone’s abortion. Quit spending our money, period. Cut back all spending and give everyone a shovel to plant corn and a stick to catch fish. When the sun goes down, sleep; and when the sun comes up hard labor. Everyone thinks it is easy street at the expense of the few hard working people.
November 19th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
Dear Mr. Boehner;
You must do everything in your power to stop this insanity that permeates Washington as evidenced by this insane health care bill. Please, please persuade those two ‘republican’ senators in Maine to stand with you as you fight this bill. Do not let this country disrespect human life as they are about to do.
Beyond that, the bill which collects funding for five years before implementation is about to bankrupt this country. Can no one understand that? Would you let this happen in your own household? Please do everything you can to stop this bill from being passed.
November 19th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
I don’t kwow who is telling the truth anymore. We deserve what we get. We have corrupted the truth. Left- Right we deserve collapse. Someone tell the truth. Give me time to read and make it understandable to the common man or vote against it. We are now a 3rd world country. The rest of the world is about to figure it out and hang us out to dry. The Dollar is a Joke. 12 trillion dollars in debt cannot be paid back. The money for health care is borrowed. Every dime we spend this year is borrowed unless govermwent income rises to about 15 trillion. The we can pay debt and operate. We are a joke. We care only our own self pleasure. What morals huh?
November 19th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
Please help us, don’t give in.
November 19th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
I believe it should be legal for a woman to have an abortion if she chooses…thats her decision not a right…however I strongly oppose that my tax dollars or government money should pay for this service if it is elective and not medically required to save her life seems simple and straightforward…whats next should we cover liposuction, plastic surgery, breast implants…
November 19th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
I read those sections of the bill, and I do not believe that’s what is being stated there. Actually, on page 117 lines 23-25 and then lines 1-4 on page 117, the bill states “nothing in this title (or any amendment made by this title), shall be construed to require a qualified health plan to provide coverage or services described in subparagraph (B)(i) as part of its essential health benefits for any plan year” Subparagraph B deals with abortion. They are explicitly saying that abortion is not required to be covered by any health plan.
Subparagraph B goes on to begin with “Abortions for which public funding is prohibited” and later states “If a state requires, in addition to the essential health benefits under section 1323(b)(3)(A), coverage of services described in subparagraph (B)(i) for enrollees of a community health insurance option offered in such State, the State shall assure that no funds flowing through or from the community health insurance option, and no other Federal funds, pay or defray the cost of providing coverage of services described in subparagraph (B)(i). The United States shall not bear the insurance risk for a State’s required coverage of services described in subparagrph (B)(i)(abortion).
Nothing will change in terms of how federal funding is used with regard to abortion. Also, states can opt out of this health care plan altogether — so all is not lost if you disagree with it.
November 19th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
The entire bill is garbage. It should be softened, put on a roll and placed by the toilet.
The U. S. Constitution is 17 8.5 X 11.5 type written pages and has guided our country for over 230 years.
Ant bill larger than that is a ruse to lute our freedom and resourses from the citizens.
We need people of integrity in Washington. I am certain that our present ruling class is where they are is because we fell asleep at the wheel.
Let,s stay awake, stay resolute and hand them their walking paper in 2010 and 2012. I the mean time lets keep on our rep.’s and senators to let them know we are here, we are awake and we do have memories.
November 19th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
The Democrats have no clue just how angry the average citizen is, but they will when we show up with torches and pitchforks should this bill is passed.
Yes, I do own a pitchfork.
November 19th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Its becoming pretty apparent that this government is getting out of control…everything the obama administration is proposing is against the will of the majority of Americans…this is becoming a dictatorship as our views are being ignored …its time to change the scenery here hopefully they will get the message
November 19th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
BAH!!!!!!!
November 19th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
I too, will go to prison rather than be forced to fund MURDER! Many of my liberal friends have tried to convince me that this is about ‘Womens Health Care Choices’. The more they talk, the more I’m convinced they are NOT trying to convince me, but are trying to convince ‘themselves’, that abortion is not murder.
November 19th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
I will never pay a fee or taxes to pay for abortions, never. I will let the IRS know that I am opting out of the tax system if necessary. They can put me in jail and there I will stay.
November 19th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Elected officials have always wanted unlimited control over the citizenry of their countries. It is in the nature of the POLITICIAN, the GOVERNMENT. And it takes place incrementaly over decades. The responsibility for out freedoms lie with the people,and many have abandoned that wonderful American characteristic of self-determination, and look towards the Government for security in one form or another. But i do believe there are enough of us who still prize individuality above collectivism and so will help to steer us in the right direction.
November 19th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
amazing that liberals think terrorist deserve rights while American unborn babies do not deserve the same…..
November 19th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
If a bill containing provisions that require Americans to support and finance abortion indeed becomes law there will be mass demonstrations and civil disobedience in every major city. I don’t think politicians in Washington know how serious this is.
They think Social Security is the “third rail” of politics? Abortion would be the main power transfer station–touch it and they’ll be fried crisp.
November 19th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
I am violently opposed to the federal government paying for ELECTIVE abortions. Just as it shouldn’t pay for elective cosmetic surgery. All elective surgery should be paid for privately. Stick to you guns Senator.
November 19th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
My hope is that you will not allow taxpayer monies be used to fund abortions in any kind of health plan and that any health plan in the senate would be read completely and made available for the constituents to read.
November 19th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
I just posted this to facebook. I will not pay for elective abortion. We need to stop this bill from passing as it is written.
November 19th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
Harry Reid needs to be excommunicated from the LDS Church. Abortion is a very strict no-no, unless there are extreme circumstances (he wants to force the members of his church to pay for it???!!!!). The LDS church encouraged it’s membership to support the Defense of Marriage Bill, to which Harry proclaimed, “I will not support it!!!!” This man refuses to be true to his Father in Heaven and his religion…doesn’t leave much hope for us now does it?
November 19th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
Thank you for standing up for what is RIGHT. This “health care reform” has nothing to do with “right” whatsoever. PLEASE firmly, kindly, persistently, knowledgeably, speak to those Senators who are “on the fence” about this vile, destructive bill. I am sure the Dems are putting incredible pressure on their members to vote in lock step, but if ever there was “a time for all good men to come to the aid of their country” and vote conscience and for constituency, it is NOW.
I 100% support my Senator , Dr. tom Coburn’s desire to read the entire bill from the Senate floor. If the party in charge is not going to keep their word in its promise to give the American people 72 hours in which to read any bill be fore it is voted upon, then we need someone to stand up for ALL AMERICANS and make sure it is read for us all to hear!
Pull together Conservatives, pull in the direction of what is RIGHT for AMERICA, and see how the elections go next year and in 2012!
November 19th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
The Republican Party is trying to kill Health Care reform because they simply hate improving the lives of Americans through government action. This abortion issue is a back door way to kill the Health Care bill while purporting to be standing on principle. The fact is the Republicans would rather people not be able to afford health insurance than have one plan out of many that would cover abortion. Never mind the fact that the NRC insurance plan covered abortion or that most private insurance plans cover abortion. The Republicans are trying to kill a bill over funding that likely represents less than .05% of the total costs of this overhaul. Republicans know they can’t ban abortion so they are simply trying to ban people from obtaining insurance that has abortion coverage. It really is sick but typical for a party that has no ideas and has been in power for many years in DC and has made no progress on Roe vs Wade. A partial birth abortion bill is not making progress when you consider less than 3% of abortions in this country are late terms. So lets say 40 million “babies” have been aborted since Roe vs Wade. Congrats, 1.2MM babies out of 40MM. Your side really is effective.
November 19th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
It’s time for the people to pick up their arms and defend this country from the enemy within. I’ve had enough. Haven’t we all?
November 19th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
World population is a greater problem than climate change or Peak Oil. More resources must be consumed to feed an ever-larger population, which in turn results in a LOWER QUALITY OF LIFE for everyone. Abortion of an unwanted baby is a way to protect quality of life for all. If you oppose abortion you should be prepared to adopt each and every unwanted baby. Expand your understanding beyond knee-jerk reactions - we cannot sustain our population numbers much further into the future — we need to reduce now and prepare for the coming struggles of climate change and Peak Oil.
November 19th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
The abortion section in the bill is simply a diversion. The Dems know that they’ll never be able to get the bill passed with the abortion language in it, so they purposefully added the language to the bill so that once they seemingly bow to pressure and remove the language from the bill, the onus will be on the anti-abortion people in Congress to support the bill.
November 19th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
Who could possibly object to liberal “health care reform” where a 40 year old woman won’t be able to get a mammogram due to violation of government health care diagnosis by statistics but will be able to get a “free” abortion on demand? Our democratic rulers must be sooooo proud.
November 19th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
US House of Representatives = Voter Approved Organized Crime.
Unions (SEIU, etc) = Member Approved organized Crime.
These groups are out of control….
IT’S TIME TO VOTE THE “INSIDERS OUT” even if it means collateral damage.
November 19th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
“Thou Shalt not Kill ” …Reid, Obama and Pelosi have no problem murdering babies that “inconvenience ” people…dont let them do it with your money.. …. We will not prosper as a nation if we keep going down this destructive path…
November 19th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
I hope my Dem rep’s in Ohio are reading these as they will no longer get my vote if this piece of c*** with the abortion fee in it gets their vote. I will work tirelessly against them in any and every upcoming elections.
November 19th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
ask one of these liberals who has children if she said to her husband “honey let’s have a thing that won’t be human until it is born”
November 19th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
The problem with these bills is not that they cover abortion. The problem is that these bills are even being considered. Bigger and more intrusive government is not the answer.
Liberty dies when government tries.
November 19th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Regardless of the conflicting rhetoric concerning this bill, over whether tax dollars would fund abortions; as currently written, this bill contains specific language which includes abortion as a mandatory minimum benefit in the newly-created public health care plan that requires taxpayer funding of abortion, (language mirroring the Capps amendment). Taxpayer funded abortions would become law even without language explicitly excluding mandates of any kind for abortion, such as successful addition of the Hatch Amendment. In Planned Parenthood v. Engler 73 F.3d 634 (6th Cir. 1996), a U.S. Court of Appeals held that abortion “fall[s] within several of Medicaid’s mandatory categories of care” and that a state law that restricted funding for abortion to those necessary to save the mother’s life conflicts with the “mandate” of Medicaid. Id. at 637. Likewise, the funding mechanism employed by Congress to pay for health care reform efforts, Sec. 207 (c)(2), self-appropriates funding though a specifically created Trust; bypassing the widely supported, and more important constitutionally sound Hyde Amendment currently prohibiting taxpayer money from funding abortion.
Progressive and sound health care reform must expressly exclude mandates of any kind for abortion. It must not alter constitutionally sound prohibitions on federal funding of abortion contained in the Hyde amendment or other provisions of law, and it must explicitly ensure that federal funds do not pay for abortion or for plans that cover abortion. Health care reform must provide broad protection for the freedom of conscience of all Americans, whether or not they are health care providers or religious entities. No one should be forced to act contrary to their conscience. Finally, health care reform must not contain provisions that authorize or encourage the withholding or curtailment of effective life-sustaining treatment to the terminally ill, the chronically ill, or the permanently disabled; simply because they are no longer considered an asset.
According to a recent Zogby poll, 71% of Americans opposed tax-payer funding for abortions. Each of us must join Rep. Boehner, Sen. Coburn and the majority of America and forcefully oppose any health care bill unless abortion is explicitly excluded from the scope of any federally mandated health insurance plans. Call, fax, and e-mail you congressman\woman and let them know you would greatly appreciate knowing how they intend to vote on this crucial issue.
November 19th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
The whole health care option is appaling. We wanted health care reform not a government option. Why not try tort reform (capping the amounts people can sue for)or buying insurance across state lines or even treating health insurance like car insurance-nobody turns in an oil change or a tire rotation to their car insurance provider. If health care were more resonably priced I would not be opposed to paying for some routine lab work or office visits out of pocket. A big fat “no” to this bizzare health care reform bill. I will not give 1 red cent towards abortion funding-better start building bigger jails.
November 19th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
I read the bill…..it doesn’t say that.
November 19th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
While a conservative, I really couldn’t care less about the abortion issue. That said, there is no justifiable reason to force taxpayers to foot the bill for abortions. Or any elective procedure, for that matter.
November 19th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
If this is passed I will stand trial and my defense will be the 13th Amendment of the Constritution. The government is doing everything to control every part of my life and I will not stand for it. I will become a criminal before I become a financier of abortion!
November 19th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
I thought that this bill was going to be comprehensive. If we can choose to end life when it is a burden we should be able to do so at both ends of our life expectancies. Parents should be able to abort their children and children should be able to abort their aged parents. The bill should cover the related fees as well as the burial fees and any other end-of-life services. Finally, children who are abused or neglected should be able to abort their parents. Abuse is clearly inconvenient and unnecessary. Apparently, life has no value when it compels responsibility. Clearly your unwanted babies are the responsibility of those in the highest tax brackets.
November 19th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
I have the bill in front of me. With respect, your summary of the language is incorrect as written above.
I’m a republican, catholic, and interested in the truth. I urge people who take the time to read the bills i.e; participate in their self-governance. This BS about the “size” of the bills is only how theya re collected onto a PDF file- with huge print and space for comments. The bill is NOT 2000 pages long unless you can’t read without a telescope.
I respectfully say your analysis is flawed because the specific sections you cite in your critique reiterate in clear language that this bill does not change existing laws prohibiting abortion funding with US tax dollars, the sections add that if the laws change in the future there will be a 6 month review period before they take effect, and that no private entity will be forced to provide abortions or be punished for not doing so. So we are back where we started- STILL NO FEDERAL FUNDING can be used to fund abortions.
It’s right there in black and white reiterated on several pages several times. Plain language, specificity, and clarity. No funding, no abortions.
Theres plenty to not like about this bill without having to inaccurately read it and mislead your constituents.
November 19th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
This bill is a disaster and unconstitutional. Senator Reid, Rep. Pelosi and all the dimwits are interested in one thing on Obama’s agenda……CONTROL. It has nothing to do with health care, or energy, or recovery…. and everything to do with dismantling this country with this Marxist agenda.
November 19th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
This bill is a load of c***!! Please do all you can to defeat it. Once it is law, we’re stuck.
November 19th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
The Government has proven they can NOT run anything efficiently. NO! to Government health care. Less Government is better. Allow competition, stop the crazy lawsuits. Make lawyers get malpratice insurance. Better yet, let us sue the lawyers who go after some of these crazy law suits. I can not believe Americans are asking the Government to take care of them. When this happens, the people become slaves to the powers in charge. Wake up
November 19th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
Curious… You all act like you don’t want government making choices for you, but you do want them to prevent a woman from making her own choice. I’m kind of stupefied by this all. Could someone please clarify without describing a cluster of human DNA as a human being? Thank you.
November 19th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
Where in the Constitution does it allow for the Government to force citizens to purchase ANYTHING? And when did the sovereignty of the States get repealed?
November 19th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
The people promoting this are evil beyond belief. The Anti-Christ is among us. Pray with all your heart and soul for an end to the madness.
November 19th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
I believe something as massive as taking over 1/6th of our economy (Health Care Bill) should require a constitutional admendment that the states can vote for or against.
November 19th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
Abortion is legal.
As far as the law goes, it is not the ending of a life.
So this is a perfectly legal procedure… but it should only be available to the rich, to folks who can pay out of pocket?
If abortion is so terrible (and I agree that it something to be avoided), why do so many republicans support policies that lead to more unwanted pregnancies?
Abstinence-only education and anti-contraception policies lead to more unwanted pregnancies - it’s been proven.
Those are for all intents and purposes pro-abortion policies.
And for those who cite religious convictions…. where was the outrage over a preemptive war over non-existent WMDs that our grandchildren will be paying for - in the trillions?
November 19th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
I will not be party to abortions. It offends me. I will refuse this tax until they kill me.
November 19th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
We are in a recession, our debt is astronomical and unemployement is over 10 %….. what kind of mind would even consider a bill like this that would cost so much it would bankrupt this country. It appears that there are those that actually are trying to undermine our economy, our military and our standing in this world.
Stop this bill….. stop the Democrats….stop Obama.
November 19th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Rep. Boehner, the Stupak amendent does not just prohibit abortions under government health plans and exchange health plans. It would also, as written, prohibit abortions in any employer-provided health plan if the employer decided to make use of the wellness and early retirement incentives under the Health Care Bill.
Please be honest about the scope of the amendment, as it’s now written.
November 19th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
If this passes, I cannot morally pay for it, I may have to leave the country- and I don’t say that lightly, I don’t know how I can live knowing I am willingly supporting murdering babies.
November 19th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
Harry Reid claims to be a devout member of the Mormon Church, whose stated policy on abortion is:
“Human life is a sacred gift from God. Elective abortion for personal or social convenience is contrary to the will and the commandments of God. Church members who submit to, perform, encourage, pay for, or arrange for such abortions may lose their membership in the Church.”
While it’s hardly the least of his faults, Harry Reid is a religious hypocrite, and as a Nevadan, I can’t wait for November 2010 when this profigate stands before the voters and gets thrown out with the trash. I only hope we still have a recognizable country come Election Day, 2010.
November 19th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
What if I, as a “free” American, do not want to pay directly from my pocket to the abortion fund? Is there somewhere in the bill the penalty for not paying my share of abortion funding by reducing my government health care payment by the amount that would go to fund abortions or will that be covered in later legislation?
November 19th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
Sentator,
As an adoptive parent of a boy whose 2nd birthday is tomorrow, I call on our government to not provide more avenues to abortion, but more avenues to parenting education and adoption. My son is a product of an unintended pregnancy of a 16 year old. That 16 year old girl had the courage, strength and support to make the decision to have the baby and give him up for adoption. She is now an 18 year old freshman in college with contact with our son. This is a much better outcome than termination.
November 19th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
I am pro-choice, and believe that elective abortions should NOT be covered by any government health plan. When you make the choice for an abortion you are making the choice between forking out $1000 now vs. raising a child that could potentially costs thousands per-month to feed, cloth, provide medical care and put through daycare. I think that’s enough savings. If I needed one, I would find the means to do it myself. Even when my income is less than $22k/year.
The best way to stop unwanted pregnancys is birth control. It’s safe and cheap! I can afford my pills. So can you.
November 19th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
Thanks for exposing the blatant affront to the American people! We will stand with you in fighting for life and liberty.
November 19th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
Only from my cold dead hands will you take the money for your abortions. - Former US Marine
November 19th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
After reading this article I called my two senators and told their aide the public will not stand for this type of legislation and if they vote for it they should be prepared to be voted out of office next election
November 19th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
If taxpayers got to pick and choose how they want their taxes spent, I would be in the first in line to say that I didn’t want my taxes paying for this 8 year war that Bush started. We all have to pay taxes towards things we don’t agree with - abortion is a constitutional right - as, apparently, the right to sent our kids off to wars in other countries for vague, misleading agendas.
November 19th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
Not sure that I agree with your interpretation of the text. If as the bill reads, “no Federal funds are used for such coverage”, then Federal funds aren’t used for abortions. Looking at the actual bill and its relation to actuarial analysis, it is defining how to calculate the cost of the coverage provided by a private plan, and how to EXCLUDE it from any Federal support. The actuarial number is used to determine what part of the premium paid would cover abortion services to determine what portion of the premium will NOT be paid for with Federal dollars.
Can we please take the time to read the bill! There are plenty of real problems here, but this isn’t one of them.
November 19th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
The democratic plan for allowing abortion payments is a disgrace. Those in Washington favoring this should be kicked out of office in the next election…
November 19th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Senators, Please be as vocal as the rest of us. This law isn’t “alarming.” The word conservatives are using is “outrage.” As in: this is an outrage. Where is your anger, sir? Please find it in the next 72 hours.
November 19th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
Please get out of the way. Americans need health care reform and coverage for all. Why do Republicans only offer “no”?
November 19th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
I was a pregnant teenager and didn’t have an abortion, and I will never pay for another person to have one either. I think this is a travesty, and that the bill should be voted on to determine how the public really feels. If we stay home and don’t vote this time, we really get what we deserve!!
November 19th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
I do not support this war or capital punishment — yet my tax dollars still pay for it. Why not push for these “right to life” issues to lose their government funding?
Just curious . . .
November 19th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
Abortion is MURDER. Plain and simple. The director of Planned Parenthood quit when she saw that little baby struggling for his/her life!
This healthcare plan, and those behind it, are out to destroy life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
When will someone stand up and say “enough is enough”?
November 19th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
I grew-up under communism in then Czechoslovakia. We had state-controlled abortion and it worked Ok (one of the very few things that did) - there were a teams of medical and social workers who were required to approve any abortion. I am pro-abortion, but only controlled one.
BUT! Nobody can force people who do not approve something like abortion to pay taxes to support such! This is Commie or Nazi-like dictate! Kills democracy and such society (or government in this case) is destined and deserving to die just like the Communism in Eastern Europe did!
November 19th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
Senator Boehner,
I want to thank you for your valiant efforts, along with the rest of the Senate Conservatives for doing what you can to stop this utter rape of the U.S. Constitution.
Fight like Hell and Give ‘em Hell. Make them read the entire bill out loud on the floor! Tell lieberman if he caves his tail can hit the bricks next fall with the traitors that will be bounced out after mid-terms!
I will gladly go to jail for refusing to pay for this seizure of American Liberty.
November 19th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
Thank you for fighting for the American people. We do not want this terrible bill, an intrusion into all aspects of our lives. We want Liberty and Justice for all people,not this “social justice”
November 19th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
Mr.Boehner, Please continue to fight against the murder of these thousands of children. We are grateful for your service.
November 19th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
This health care bill is the beginning of the end of the USA as we know it. I see Republicans routinely opposing this and many other Marxist bills, but they seem too calm.
I expect them to be jumping up and down like their hair was on fire.
November 19th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
When we take back the White House will the Health and Human Services Secretary be able to ban abortion from government plans?
Government will screw up the best healthcare system in the world.
November 19th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
I’m sure Obama will tell you he doesn’t want to take over health care or have government run it but what choice does he have?
November 19th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
EMAIL THIS BLOG TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW!!!!
Tell as many people as you can…get the word out on this SHAMEFUL, NASTY bill! Call your Senator and tell them to VOTE NO!!! We’ve got to take a stand and stop this thing NOW!!!
November 19th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
The irritation I have with this bill is the fraud. Rather than admitting how big and expensive it will be, they have shoved a big portion of the expense off on to the states, just like medicaid. So not only will the federal government be bankrupt, so will the states. What a bunch of dishonest lawmakers.
November 19th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
I believe the abortion issue is a “red herring”… the Dems will take it out during the debate as well as taking out the “public option”… they will do this all grudgingly and moaning throughout… they will do anything to get this costly and horrible bill passed one way or the other… Then later, they will propose their amendments to the bill after it’s been in effect. Don’t put that passed them. Be careful and fight to get the Republican’s version of health reform up for voting.
I had worked for government for over thirty years and I know how they get things through…. get anything however small through and work to expand it later.
Don’t get caught up with just one or two issues… fight for the whole bill.
November 19th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
Sen. Boehner, thank you for speaking for all of us concerned about the direction this administration is taking us. Unfortunately, I at times feel like a lone voice in the wilderness, being a Chicago resident. I have no one speaking for me in any elected office, locally, state, or nationally. I pray that our voices together will remain strong in defiance of this abomination of a bill. And thank you for bringing to light what is contained in this bill. Please keep fighting for all of us!
November 19th, 2009 at 7:32 pm
Harry Reid, IF you are listening. Americans DO NOT AND WILL NOT stand by and have you make a mockery of our
health care system as we know it. Abortions are an
elective, and I DO NOT elect to pay out of my own pocket for someone else to have abortion. You are just going to send signals to young girls that it is ok to get an abortion. If I get pregnant, I will just get an abortion because the government will pay for it. Democrat or
Republican, Americans DO NOT WANT TO PAY OUT THEIR POCKET TO FUND SOMEONE ELSE’S ABORTION. You had better
start listening to the American people!!!
November 19th, 2009 at 7:32 pm
So the government is not pro-religion, but is pro-murder. How nice of them to make everyone contribute to murder.
November 19th, 2009 at 7:32 pm
Mr. Boehner,
Do you people in Washington even get how really pissed off the American people are at you guys? You all better wake up ’cause we’re fixin’ to clean house!
November 19th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
Congressman Boehner:
Has the world turned ‘upside-down’. You guys that are fighting the “good fight” need to tell your colleagues on BOTH sides of aisle, in the House and in the Senate, that there are folks out here that will fight ‘tooth and nail’ to preserve personal freedom and personal choice!
The year 2010 will look like a “blood bath” politically. It will make the 1993-1994 ‘mandate’ and “Contract With America” seem like a walk in the park…..
There are way more conservative and independent American citizens who are motivated to expunge the Congress than there are ’special interests’ who are pushing for these absurd and punitative changes in our health care system!
I am ‘mad’ and I am politically active. Stand by, it is going to make the “Wiskey Revolt” even more of a footnote in US history!
Larry Cundari
San Antonio, TX 210-698-9633
November 19th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
Keep going……….my son and I are rooting for you to win……….and being from Ohio, it is nice to have someone finally making us proud. Please make them read the entire bill out loud !
November 19th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
What is comforting is that some think they will go through this life feeding on the destruction of innocents but in the next life they will get their just reward.
November 19th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
I too object to paying for abortions. I think we all need to start getting everyone out to vote that all government employees: city, state and federal be required to join the same medical play the Congress is impossing on us all. Also, both parties - Senate and House should be required to pay into Social Security. Obama stated that he pays into health care just like the rest of us. Ha what a lie.
Make sure that all encombants that vote for this bill be listed so we can vote them out of office.
Rene
November 19th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
I am praying for the souls of the politicians that support this bill, especially if they represent themselves as Christians. God bless those leaders who have the courage of their convictions and will stand up for what is moral and just.
November 19th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
I am curious. What other ELECTIVE procedures are also covered besides abortion? Why should any elective procedure be covered by all taxpayers?
November 19th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
Folks someone is misquoting something here. My Understanding is the PRESENT LAW forbids using federal funds to pay for obortions( thanks to my Hyde and his amendment)so any federal paln just simply can not do it. What the charge all of you are talking about is additional money that MUST BE PAID by anyone WANTING abortion coverage so they THEY can have the coverage, then the money collected from THESE folks that WANT abortion coverage will then be seperated to an account seperate from any federal funds and used to pay for any abortion the folks that paid the extra money might want to have. I am absolutely opposed to any obortion of any kind except when BOTH mother and child would BOTH die if the child was not removed and then I would want EVERY ACTION be done to save the child. Those opposed to obortion would NOT be paying an additional mone to be used for abortions.
November 19th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
I will go to jail rather than participate in such an immoral and evil health insurance plan. I think it may be time for another revolution.
November 19th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
I live in Nevada - I’ve voted against Harry Reid 3 times now. He got reelected one of those times (1998) by vote fraud in Washoe County. Thanks to Acorn and the Democrat Party for this loser.
November 19th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
The time may have come to exercise our right of civil disobedience and “organize”!!! Perhaps it is time to withhold our tax money (like protesting unfair landlord practices, keep the money in a private account). The Reid/Pelosi’s health care socialism will cost us, our children and our grandchildren decades of misery, stagnation and for most loss of hope and the ability to move forward with our goals. …..and the plans don’t even take effect for 5-10 years….BUT, we will have our money taken away from us before any “benefits” are in place!!! This is more than BIG Government; this is Grand Larceny. Do we have the courage to go up agains Eric Holder and the IRS? It may be the only way!!!
November 19th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
The inclusion of the abortion language may be a ploy. If Reid removes it at the last moment (just prior to the final vote), he will be seen as somewhat of a hero (or at least a fair negotiator). The lift of morale in the senate at that moment, and the tired senators, will give him an opportunity to pass this absurdity just to get it over with. Isn`t this how things unfolded in the house?
November 19th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
Per Capita, French women have fewer than half the abortions that American women do. Even though the government pays for abortion straight up, they use it less than half as often.
That is because part of freedom is feeling free. If you have to ask your employer to go to the doctor you risk losing your job if you do.
If anyone in your family gets sick, or for some other reason, you lose employment in line with the corporations, you are not allowed to fully participate in the economy.
Our current system is not a patient focused system, it is an employer focused system. That tempts and coerces women to have abortions even if the government doesn’t pay for them.
The pro-life movement has manipulated people with an abstract fear of someone’s tax dollars going to pay for abortions. But at the same time they give a very real, dangerous and monstrous coercion for abortion by firing someone if their child is born with an illness.
Every week I go to church and pray not to lead people into temptation. The French are way ahead of us on this. Are French women more conservative or something? Or maybe they take their own pro-life movement more seriously because their religious people do not protest against the public well being and safety.
November 19th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
Armed resistance is very close at hand.
November 19th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
Fortunately the “framers” allowed for a mechanism to change the government. It is a little more sudden than voting and doesn’t need a primary! God help us.
November 19th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
This ‘deathcare’ bill needs to be defeated. Paying for killing innocent babies is worse than cannabalism. Defeat the bill.
November 19th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
I’m a loyal taxpayer, but I will not pay taxes to a government that kills babies, I don’t care why they are doing it or how they rationalize it. Tax revolt anybody?
November 19th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
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November 19th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
We are all being desensitized! The government has no business being in the middle of our healthcare system. Someone name a social welfare program run by the fed govt that is #1 solvent by any rational test #2 Not wrought with fraud #3 not massively over committed and un-funded e.g. SS/Medicare, both in reality insolvent by any measure. Why would a sane populace let congress even consider a take-over?
November 19th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
Wow. Pro-lifers and pro-choicers(like me) agree! This is total crap! Our government needs to be totally vacated and restocked with fresh faces.
If only we fine Americans had the willingness to do something about it.
“The tree of liberty has to be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants”
November 19th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
Democrats appear smart until they take power, then we’re reminded of why they should be defeated.
November 19th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
We now have a government that doesn’t even care what the majority wants much less what is moral. Abortion is only a more visible sign of the trouble we are in.
November 19th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
This is a non-issue. They are going use this to bargain everyone into a bill that should never be passed. Once they give in on the abortion thing it will make it harder to reject the rest of this horrible freedom destryoying legislation.
Kill this whole idea or you will regret it.
November 19th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
I have no wish to pay for abortions; I know all my Menonite neighbors don’t want this forced upon them either. I don’t know of anyone who is for this health insurance reform. I’d rather go to jail than pay for this crap that’s being shoved down our throats.
November 19th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
Would some one please stop this madness?? Every day we hear about some idea/plan that has come out of Washington, from the so called leaders that were voted in. Each one is crazier than the previous one. I am just sick over paying for something I couldn’t be more viamently opposed to. It is absolutely disgusting that “they” feel they are making these changes for the population as a whole. If you are listening, which I know you are not…we are OPPOSED to this. Please, Republican leaders..do not let this pass! Have our voices heard. Stand up and vote NO!
November 19th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
You keep fighting for us, Mr. Boehner! Even if we lose, it will be worth it, because we fought for the right cause.
November 19th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
I am looking forward to you right wingers who refuse to obey the law being thrown in jail.
Hopefully it will be a felony and you idiots will use your right to vote.
November 19th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
Real simple, I wont pay it.
November 19th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
DO NOT FALL FOR THE BAIT AND SWITCH! THE DEMS WILL USE THIS TO FOOL US. THEY WILL OFFER TO PULL THIS OUT AS A MEANS TO PASS THE BILL.
DO NOT PASS THIS BILL!!!!!!!
AT. ANY. COST.
NO GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTHCARE!! NO PUBLIC OPTION!!!
November 19th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
Let me stand up and be counted as one who will not stand for such a measure. That is wrong wrong wrong.
Reid should be excommunicated from his church for allowing a bill such as this.
November 19th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
Mr. Boehner,
Thank you for standing up for conservatives and standing in the gap to protect citizens from these lying, socialist Democrats. Please ensure that each time you confront them, you present a clear alternative, in such was the the truth is self evident, that being that conservatives believe in FREEDOM, LIBERTY, and RESPONSIBILITY. Point out the differences to all Americans. Be the rallying point for us. Point out the deliberate lies and fine print for all to see.
Thank you.
November 19th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
Where is the separation of church and state here? The Democrats are bound and determined to make their pagan religion the state religion.
November 19th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
Its being taken out of context. Going to school will prevent you from being a tool and believing this poorly written garbage.
November 19th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
THE BIBLE SAYS….IT IS WRONG TO KILL!
ABORTION IS INDISPUTABLELY “KILLING!” THEREFORE ABORTION IS CONTRARY TO GODs WORD given to us in the BIBLE… ARE WE A NATION WILLING TO ABIDE TO “GODS RULES” OR DO WE WANT TO YIELD TO SOCIAL PRESSURES AND MAKE UP OUR OWN RULES.
WE DARE NOT ALLOW ABORTION TO BE INCLUDED IN THIS HEALTH BILL. GODs JUDGEMENT WILL FALL ON AMERICA! AMEN!
November 19th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
Thank you for posting this information, and please keep up the fight. It is very upsetting (putting it mildly) that our elected representative continue to move this agenda forward despite the public outcry and the majority of Americans not wanting government run healthcare. Is anyone listening? Can we ever regain our government?
November 19th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
I am not a very political person, nor am I often likely to post to a blog or website, but in this case I must speak up. I am an American, a civil servant, a father. This healthcare bill attacks, in many ways, that which I believe in, work hard for, and love with all my heart. I know the GOP is in a vexingly difficult situation, but now is the time, and here is the place where the American people can once again see that the few can stand up for the cause of the many. Our faithful in the senate can take up the flag and carry it forward from those who fought in the house and protect our today and safeguard our tomorrow. I pray you are wise, steady, and unshakable. We are standing with you.
November 19th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
Honorable Mr. Boehner,
Your leadership is needed now more than ever. Stand for America and do what is right - continue aggressively opposing Obamacare. Speak for those whose voice is silent because of abortion.
November 19th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
I will stop paying taxes and risk jail before I give a nano penny for ‘elective’ abortions. ( killing not yet born humans.)
Mike in Alaska
November 19th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
I emailed this scripture to Sen.Harry Reid about two weeks ago.Seems to have done absolutely no good.
Mark Chapter 9 verse 42..KJV In the words of Jesus.
“And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me,it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck and he were cast into the sea.”
November 19th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Wouldn’t our forefathers role over in their graves if it were possible. My heart breaks for the direction in which this country is headed. I lift my prayers with the thousands of other conscientious patriots in hopes that we do not go down the same path as the Roman Empire.
Blessings,
Sunny Fox
November 19th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
As a Roman Catholic whose religion and personal belief does not approve of abortion, I am strongly in favor of opposing Harry Reid’s Health Care Plan and do not want a single penny of mine going to fund abortions ever!
November 19th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
I agree with several writers. The whole bill is a horrible assault on our freedom. The very plain abortion language does indeed make it look like a trap. If the Senate has to approve the Rule in order to get the pro-abortion language removed, only 51 Senators have to approve the final version! A simple majority! Then the bill will still be renegotiated in conference and the abortion language can be put right back in. The only message to send our representatives is “Kill the Bill!” Thank you Rep Boehner–I hope you can get the Transparency Acts passed.
November 19th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
Doubt this comment will ever be published, but here goes:
Boehner lies. Plain and simple. If one actually reads the language of the bill (http://democrats.senate.gov/reform/patient-protection-affordable-care-act.pdf), one can see that the monthly premium fee for abortion coverage is only paid for VOLUNTARILY by those who wish to have this coverage. In turn, these voluntary monthly premiums are the only funds that may be used to pay for abortion coverage. In other words, only funds collected from voluntary coverage for abortion will be used to pay for abortions; general consumer premiums and tax dollars WILL NOT. Don’t believe me? Read the bill yourself. The language is a little jargon-y, but anyone who bothers to take the time to carefully read it will see that I’m right.
November 19th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
If health care passes you can kiss the USA as we now know it goodbye. This is no more about health care than Harry Reid is about being honest. This is about taking control of the American people. If this was about providing for the poor why revamp the entire system. IWe have been complacent, too trusting too long and now this is upon us with you and me standing between the constitution and the ruin of our once beautiful, free nation. We need to wake up before it’s too late, if it’s not already.
I blame the Republicans just as much as I do the democrats. Both are progressives, one is progressive lite……..The rino’s have sat on their arrogant rumps and let the democrats brow beat them into submission. They didn’t like Palin because she is middle class. Now we have what we have. Was it worth it? I think not. I say vote em out all of em!
November 19th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
John - Have your colleagues gone crazy. We will push to vote out of office ANYONE voting for either the House, Senate, or Joint bill. Americans don’t want government health care. You folks work for US, not US for the Federal Government. First, nobody in the House or Senate has READ the bill. How can anyone vote for something they have NO idea what it contains?
November 19th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
These transparent Democrats are heading this country into socialisum and this 16% of the econmomy will be run by a government program. Think of the possibilities for corruption, fraud and criminal fund losses. Think of the post office. Think of the unions and strikes. Think of mediare– they can’t or wount stop fraud. Think of any goverment run program and grandize it and they’ve got a glorious opportunity to ruin this country which is what the Democrts want. They want a communist country.
FROM EACH ACCORDING TO HIS ABILITY, TO EACH ACCORDING TO HIS NEED. God help us.
November 19th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
Calling abortion murder makes no sense when at the same time you condone the death of another soldier on any battlefield in the world. You will support your war in Iraq, Afghanistan.. You probably even hope for a war with Iran. Itching for it. If thall shall not kill, how do you support war?
November 19th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
67 million catholics could have stopped this whole thing.
November 19th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
I refuse to help pay for other people’s abortions… and I know I’m not alone in this….
This surely will be the death nail in the national health care bill.
November 19th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
I will not pay.
November 19th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
This post is a complete lie. The bill says NOTHING of this sort and goes out of its way to leave current abortion law as it stands - no federal funds. The bill will GUARANTEE that you have the option of a plan that DOES NOT offer abortion services.
Right now you are not guaranteed that option. Your employer contributions are likely going to abortion services now.
Federal funds will NOT be used for abortion. Only the premiums paid by the people who chosoe a plan with those services.
For all this talk about taking rights away (please name 1?), its the Republicans who are trying to take away womens’ rights.
I’m against lots of things the government does, but I pay takes anyway. Like paying Boehner’s salary so he can lie through his teeth and obstruct instead of governing. You are represented, its called elections. Stop being hypocrites.
November 19th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
Hey feminists: It’s tough to say that your body belongs to you and you alone when I’m paying for it. Instead of, my body, my choice, I could well argue, my money, my choice.
November 19th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
The right wing needs to understand that there are some advantages for its agenda when it comes to national health care. The sense of collective health will ultimately be the straw that breaks the one’s own body argument that underpins the arguments in favor of drug use and abortion.
Right now, abortion and drug advocates argue that no one except the women has a choice in the life of the fetus or the consumption of drugs because it is her body and hers alone. But, once she abdicates the care of her body to the general public, which is what national health care does, then it is no longer her body, and it is only right that society has a say in what she can and cannot do with it.
November 19th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
It is absolutely wrong for public funds to be used for abortions.
November 19th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
We are praying diligently for each member to have wisdom and not cave to pressures, suductions and the enticements being made to each State Sen. May we all hold on… Is principle ever more important than any election OR re-election?
November 19th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
Someone needs to tell Mary Landrieu that AMERICA is not for sale!
I abhor abortion, but respectfully, sir, if the Republican party merely focuses on abortion, you will LOSE this fight!
November 19th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
Sir, I would like if you would ask Sen. Lugar to join Sen. leberman to filibuster the bill that is going to wreck this country. If this bill passes I do not know what I will do, but I will do something. I will work to have Sen. Lugar removed from office. I will work to have Congressman Joe Donnally removed from office. I am so done with the republican party and the demicrate party, I am going to support the canidate that can articulate the consevitve values. I am mad as _____ and I am not going to take it any more. Because I VOTE.
November 19th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
This whole idea of govt run healthcare is UNCONSTITUTIONAL folks - why are you Republicans NOT saying anything about this? This silence is the second slap in the face, after this lame excuse for a bill that mandates everyone pay for abortions? Wow.
November 19th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
If this bill passes I will take a hard stand for my right to not kill the unborn. I refuse to allow any of my money to go towards abortion. I will not do it, regardless of the cost to me. I will never support murdering a baby. NEVER!
The “health benefits commissioner” is a death panel of one. Palin cut thru the fat and went directly into the heart of this reform package. Who will decide who lives and dies. Whether it is a panel or one it is a panel to decide on death and shortened life. That decision is between our maker and ourselves. The federal government has no right to insert themselves in the middle of my healthcare.
This must be stopped and we must raise our voices and do so in person in DC. Nothing less than the future of America and its freedoms are at stake.
November 19th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
I am afraid for what is happening to this great country. Americans do not want this bill passed. Please, please do what you can to stop this bill!
November 19th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
Please do everything you can possibly do to kill this monstrosity of a healthcare reform bill. I do not want my tax dollar paying for the killing of babies and I don’t want the govenment controling 1/6 of our economy. Let’s get some tort reform into the discussion, thank you.
November 19th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
Why do pro-lifers get to opt out of paying for abortions when I can’t opt out of paying for two wars and a Wall Street bailout?
Stop forcing your religious views down my throat!
November 19th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
The collapse of our nation is in full effect, is it not?
We are so screwed it’s not even funny.
November 19th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
The Democratic party is evil. This is tyranny and I will not pay to kill babies.
November 19th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
God save our Country
November 19th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
As we drift away from God, those words on our currency: In God We Trust, might echo for you, memories of former American values. America’s dollar, America’s values, and the American people’s faith in government fades with measured certainty.
It’s an ageless lesson, and as always, its the only real struggle in our lives.
God, you alone have my allegience!
November 19th, 2009 at 11:24 pm
I simply will not pay - I’ll go to prison before I pay 1 dime for abortions - you flippin liberal left wing wack jobs can all go to hell for all I care.
November 19th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
Rep. Boehner is clearly manipulating the facts and you people are sadly falling for it. This web posting references different pages from the bill that refer to different aspects. He simply combines them to suggest that you are required to pay money that goes directly to pay for abortions. It is simply not true, and yet you folks swallow it whole. Might I suggest you actually read something before reacting so vigorously?
November 19th, 2009 at 11:44 pm
Where is the openness and accountability promised by Obama? How can anyone in good conscience vote for something that has been cooked up behind closed doors without complete discussion?
I do not condone or support using tax dollars for something that the public should not be forced to underwrite? Why should I fund someone’s abortion?
November 19th, 2009 at 11:49 pm
Keep your religion out of my government. If you’re against abortion, be against it for simple moral reasoning. Don’t tell me JESUS hates it, because that is a logical fallacy.
Now that I said my piece there, I also want to point out that no matter what it’s called, we’ll still be paying for other people’s health care. I don’t mind paying for healthcare, but I don’t want to be paying for some punk kid’s immature decision to breed.
I’d rather pay for the veteran who defended me, or the person who will get back up and work a job with me and help pay for things this country needs with me. Not the people who do nothing and get everything.
Not only that, this is just “lipstick on a pig” - Not to make fun of anyone, but it truly is! We’re putting a pretty coat of paint on a rusted out junk heap that is the healthcare system. FIX THE SYSTEM.
November 19th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
Could someone ask Rep. Cao how he feels about his vote given this information? I live in N.O. and, as I have not heard from him recently, I’d like to hear what he is thinking now. I’m not hear to be a critic, I am truly curious.
November 19th, 2009 at 11:55 pm
Direct abortion is the opposite of health care. And it is forbidden by the Hippocratic oath.
November 19th, 2009 at 11:58 pm
I totally agree with Joanne Conti. This is another
attempt to control. Those who control health care, control the person.Obama’s main objective in turning us into a Socialist state, is depletion of wealth.All of his colossal spending points to that outrageous goal.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:20 am
I will not file another tax return. If it it saves one child, whatever the consequence, it’s worth it!
November 20th, 2009 at 12:31 am
Thank you for your continued leadership. Our prayers are with you. Please stand firm and keep our Republicans focused and together.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:38 am
If this bill passes, with or without the evil abortion language, you will throw me in jail before I will pay a penny into this freedom robbing monster. I ABSOLUTELY will not stand for this tyranny.
LIVE FREE OR DIE!
November 20th, 2009 at 12:47 am
I agree with every single post here and if this garbage passes and is signed by the usurper, we better prepare for the 2nd American Revolution. Our Founders would demand no less. It will be time for every God fearing American to go to Washington and literally clean house. Make a commitment to stop paying your taxes. Starve the Washington beast. The guy running the Treasury has ZERO credibility to accept any of your money anyway.
In the meantime, pray that this bill is stopped and pray that God forgives us for voting for these evil beasts in DC.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:50 am
The whole Congress is nuts. WHY are they not listening to the people who pay their salaries? I refuse to pay for someones abortion and I will not pay the little monthly fee. I think they’re going to have to build more prisons for tax evaders because I know a lot of people aren’t going to go for this. There has to be a way to stop this…if it passes it will be the end of Liberty and Freedom in this country.
November 20th, 2009 at 1:31 am
If enough of us say “no” and refuse to pay this we will force the hand of government into a UN winnable position - how many of us can you jail before the jail collapses upon itself ? They are counting on our apathy - the question is will we give it to them ?
November 20th, 2009 at 1:34 am
If they pass this bill with abortion funding mandate, it will be time to refresh the tree of liberty. This bill will lead to civil war. You politicians had better wake up and throw this bill out or face the consquences.
November 20th, 2009 at 1:46 am
Please stop this Health Care Bill…it is nothing but insanity…don’t ask me to pay for other people’s abortions.
November 20th, 2009 at 1:50 am
I saw this bit earlier: companies and employer groups are increasingly turning against the health overhaul, frustrated that the House and Senate bills raise taxes and won’t lower health costs. Companies are already stretching every penny they can to get threw this recession.
November 20th, 2009 at 1:50 am
How dumb do the dem’s think we are. It’ll be a cold day in hell (global warming) before they “order” me to pay for abortions.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:02 am
Sen. Boehner, keep up the good work! (I’ve petitioned my own Senators in SC.) The American people do not want or need government-run health care or abortions supported by the taxpayers!
November 20th, 2009 at 2:02 am
I guess I will go to jail. I do not support abortion other than to save a mother’s life or in the case of rape. Although I would rather see a baby born and given up for adoption in most cases.
So I will NOT pay the extortion fee to support abortion. Oh well, I need a break anyway and jail is bound to be easier than working my behind off every day.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:21 am
If we have not yet reached this “landmark,” we will soon:
50 million babies aborted since Roe.
50,000,000. Think on that for a minute.
Now think about this: There are approximately 50,000,000 children in America right now in grades K-12. We have slaughtered the equivalent of an entire generation.
Abortion is not “health care.” There’s nothing healthy about it. Not for the child, obviously, and not for the mother (or the father, in many cases) who lives with guilt and/or a hardened heart.
Regardless of the abortion issue, fiscally this bill is going to be the straw that breaks the back of our national sovereignty. Our debt has already grown exponentially, and now they ask our children and grandchildren (if “they” allow us to have any) to pay for this aberration. And, how will they pay, if jobs continue to race away from American shores?
The madness has to stop.
Thank you for standing, Sen. Boehner.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:24 am
I want to join with others here who have made the point that we shouldn’t be concentrating on just the issue of abortion. Please people, the whole health care package is a disaster. Don’t even consider it, even without the abortion part of it.
Having a single issue mindset will keep us from focusing on the whole health care legislation disaster, and maybe that is part of the plan, you know to take out the abortion part, and everybody breathes a sigh of relief, and then goes ahead and supports the health care package.
This is an assault on freedom as we know it now!
November 20th, 2009 at 2:35 am
The jails will not be able to contain all of us who are have more a fear of the Lord than a fear of what the government can do to us. I believe in abiding by the law, but this is murdering a child. When people get pregnant, they don’t say we made a lifeless fetus. They say we conceived a baby together…a new life we are bringing into this world.
I can barely stand it that evil is so present in the elected leaders.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:44 am
Fight!
Government health care is a deception. It is about converting people to a system that redistributes wealth and income. Giving in to the dems only encourages them. Wait for Cap and Trade and climate measures. Amnesty for illegal aliens is a guarantee by democrats to give away of our money to keep themselves in power ….our country is being stolen by America haters. This is a slow motion coup. I do not see fair and amicable ending.
November 20th, 2009 at 3:17 am
Get real. You’re fighting a lost battle. You’re backward views befit the middle ages. The times of the founding fathers at best. This is the 21st century. Bible based demagoguery will not change that.
November 20th, 2009 at 3:21 am
Yeah,as a true patriot,I’ll have to be jailed as well.I’m not giving the government money to murder babies.
November 20th, 2009 at 3:29 am
My last response disappeared without posting,
Everyone needs to contact their own Senators tomorrow. If you cannot get through at their Capitol phone numbers (which is likely) call their district offices.
This site makes it easy to find district office phone numbers (copy and paste into your browser if this doesn’t show up as an active link):
http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
Click on your state, then click your senators’ names to see their district phone numbers.
Don’t settle for simply a removal of the abortion mandates. Tell them they will be held accountable for a yes vote on this bill, even if the awful abortion coverage is removed.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:02 am
Have conservatives always been this paranoid and conspiracy-theory prone or have your taskmasters just giving you all stronger doses of cough medicine?
November 20th, 2009 at 4:06 am
Ever notice how this monstrosity of a bill does absolutely nothing to address the problems they have been whining about for decades?
It still won’t cover everyone - in fact a lot of seniors won’t have the coverage they have now.
It still won’t control cost - in fact it’ll explode costs.
What the hell does it do? It only strips away a little bit more of our freedoms and opens the door for the government to take even more of our freedoms by setting a precedent.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:18 am
There are some healthcare reforms that would be good for the country; i.e., tort reform, competition across state lines, perhaps even public-funded coverage for a percentage (90%, 95%, 99%, but NOT 100%) in case of truly catastrophic illnesses above some threshold amount. The bills pending before Congress completely miss the mark and would do far more harm to the country than good. As such, they should be defeated.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:11 am
Senator, continue to fight this radical takeover of the American health system. It is socialistice not to mention unconstitutional.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:32 am
I would like to hear what your thought are about how to reduce the number of abortions actually happening. Obviously you don’t think that making it illegal accomplishes this? Historically speaking there have been reductions in the number of abortions under democratic presidents over the past 30 years. So, instead of screaming about 1 insurance plan covering this procedure (that I don’t agree with either) maybe you could start adding amendments that help women with food and shelter so they can feel comfortable to raise their unborn children. Or, I would welcome any idea, not just screaming about it.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:51 am
Senator Reid needs to understand that there are men and women of conscience who will refuse to pay the tax to provide elective abortion. This is not a matter of right wing politics but a commitment to protect human life at every stage from conception to natural death. As a Southern Baptist pastor I am encouraging the pastors and churches in our association and state convention to oppose this draconian legislation that would attempt to force us to compromise our biblical conviction about the sanctity of human life. Is Senator Reid prepared to see pastors going to jail on the evening news for refusing to pay for unborn children to be killed? Please stop this bill before it becomes necessary for men and women of conscience to have to.
November 20th, 2009 at 6:03 am
Just one of the 2032 reasons this bill needs to be defeated….soundly
November 20th, 2009 at 6:49 am
I find it very upsetting that the Congresspeople will be rushed into voting for a more than 2000 page document that they cannot possible understand. Women of childbearing age already pay more for insurance due to pregnancy–I can’t have children, but I pay anyway! And now I have to pay for something I feel is morally wrong that I will never need to consider for myself anyway. Despicable!
November 20th, 2009 at 6:50 am
“When did those we know as elected representatives decide they could become rulers?”
Answer: when they fouled everthing up, repeatedly, and we still returned themn to office at a 90% rate.
It is we that have given away our own dear freedom.
When we wake up to find what we have really done to ourselves, there will be more moaning and groaning and gnashing of teeth here, than in Hades.
November 20th, 2009 at 6:59 am
What does it mean “tax without representation”?
As Clinton said we tax everything.
Where in the consitution does to give the authority to congress to do with taxes what it does?
The taxes they impose are only for control and power. These people in congress could give a rat’s backside to the will of the people the only they care about is power and re-election.
Face it they have the power to re-elec themselves. They make up the rules, stock pile cash over their 6 or 2 year term. Senates rack up cash for years, and are able to pummel their opposition who did not have six years to raise cash on the tax payers dime.
We are on the downward spiral. Obama said if the constution does prohibit government then government could do it.
It is time for all americans to consider what county they might want to immigate to. What this county will be left with is a bunch of people trying get hand outs from one another. The ponzi scheme will only last so long then, the county will implode. Obama will bowing to the Chinese ruler and what is left of the american people will be left improvished, without jobs and of course without healthcare or even the doctors to provide it.
What a bunch of wimps we are to sit back and let our elected government take control of every aspect of your life while running this once great nation into the ground by enslaving our children to a lifetime of debt.
Well folks good luck with all that, too bad we did not have a backbone to stand up to our elected tyrants.
November 20th, 2009 at 7:19 am
He heh. Roflmao! When will people realize that self-governance is the best option?
November 20th, 2009 at 7:23 am
The fact that abortion is legal is obviously not enough for those on the left. Not only do those that oppose it have to fully accept it, we also have to pay for it.
November 20th, 2009 at 7:23 am
If Americans of conscience are forced to pay for abortion coverage get ready for waves of civil disobedience. But hey that will lead to more jobs building and staffing prisons - so maybe that is the Speaker’s job plan, I guess.
November 20th, 2009 at 7:37 am
This Health Kill Bill needs to be stopped. Let’s declare 2 Nov 2010 our new Independence day! Get out and vote people and make sure friends and family make it to the polls, offer a ride if needed.
November 20th, 2009 at 7:46 am
STOP! STOP! THIS IS MADNESS! What in heaven’s name is going on in this country? I feel like I have gone through the looking glass… There is no way this ABOMINATION should pass! Look who wrote it! This is not American - it is evil! Please do everything you can to kill it. Real Americans are grateful for your efforts.
Thank you.
November 20th, 2009 at 7:47 am
I am relieved to see that I won’t be sitting in jail/prison alone! I will not join nor pay for something that I truly do not believe in. This bill is a huge mistake for America, they want to murder America’s future.
Please call these senators and encourage them to vote NO on Harry Reid’s Health Care Bill: (Please remember to be polite)
Mary Landrieu of Louisiana
202-224-5824
Ben Nelsonof Nebraska
202-224-6551
Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas
202-224-4843
Evan Bayh of Indiana
202-224-5623
November 20th, 2009 at 7:49 am
Topic: Reproductive Choice to kill your baby.
Organisms are classified by their genes and chromosomes which are present from conception.
Human genes and chromosomes are present from conception.
Therefore ABORTION is killing a human.
Please do not vote for any bill that directly or indirectly uses government funds to support abortion in any form.
November 20th, 2009 at 7:55 am
I had to read it for myself, and it’s right there as you say, sir. It’s appalling to think that they would try to sneak in funding for something as controversial and politically charged as abortion. While it says that the bill will not override state laws regarding the legality of abortion, does that really matter at this point?
Anyone who reads this, liberal or conservative, must understand that passage of this bill could eventually FORCE them to pay money out of pocket for VOLUNTARY abortions. It would roughly equal EVERY person enrolled in the public option paying for an abortion in their lifetime.
November 20th, 2009 at 7:59 am
Get My Jail Cell ready!! If this passes I will revolt by never paying another Dime in Taxes!!! No one can make me pay to murder children!!
November 20th, 2009 at 8:01 am
The Bill is in opposition to what the majority of the voters want. Also it will hurt senior citizens by taking away health coverages.
November 20th, 2009 at 8:33 am
Another piece of evidence indicting the “Health Care Reform” bills — it IS NOT and has NOT been about improving the health of Americans, IT IS about the successful promotion about a political ideology and an agenda of control. The Founders created a national government of limited power; progressive Democrats are, in the words of Barack Obama, “re-making America” into a national government of unlimited power.
“In a time of universal deceit, speaking the truth is revolution.” George Orwell
November 20th, 2009 at 8:33 am
I’m a pro-life ob/gyn and I will close my practice and move overseas before I’m forced to pay for abortions by this sick excuse for a government. Lord Jesus, come quickly.
November 20th, 2009 at 8:34 am
Our family will not pay for abortions, now or in the future. Abortion is murder of an innocent who has no choice in the matter. By its nature, it is the antithesis of what the Democrat Party says they are: the champions of those without power. No, we will not pay to do deliberate evil.
Thank you,
California Conservers of our constitutional rights
November 20th, 2009 at 8:40 am
Call your Congressperson today. Let them know that you don’t want to pay for other people to have abortions.
Find their contact info at congress.org
November 20th, 2009 at 8:44 am
We are praying this does not pass and the lord be with you.
November 20th, 2009 at 8:45 am
I will not fund the murdering of babies!
November 20th, 2009 at 8:45 am
Health care reform is too important for this partisan posturing and fear mongering.
November 20th, 2009 at 8:49 am
Obama along with Ried, Pelosi and others are purposefully trying to incite unrest amongst traditional patriotic Americans. This “in your face” move to charge for abortions on a month-by-month basis is a form of torture to those who believe in the sanctity of life and American Freedom.
This is also be a ploy to nullify our disdain for the entirety of their universal health care plan. In other words they may remove it so as to nullify opposition as was done in the House. Such abortion funding can always be added after the entire bill’s passage.
Socialized medicine, as Ronald Reagen stated, is a primary tool used by authoritarian governments to lever against the liberty and self-determination of its citizenry. As such its implementation as a whole is of central importance to our tyrannical leaders.
There has been and there will not be a method by which the distribution of medical services will not be freely available to those living in our country illegally. It must be obvious that the Democrats are attempting to buy their votes and replace traditional Americans with those who will be subservient to socialistic leaders.
Since the 1960’s our health care costs have been slowly increased by our government via the implementation and mismanagement of Medicare and Medicaid, the mandating of frivolous insurance coverage and the alteration of our immigration demographic.
The taxes I have personally paid since that time have been spent in the general fund instead of being saved or invested for my retirement and medical care. Lax immigration laws have diluted my vote. Most recently, my standard of living has been attacked by government influenced, faulty bank lending practices.
November 20th, 2009 at 8:51 am
This is dictatorship, plain and simple. Forcing Americans to pay for people’s abortions?? It’s insanity. And I hope these Senators and Congressmen regret this when election time rolls around.
November 20th, 2009 at 8:53 am
Get these people out of office. Maybe they should start asking nurses and doctors their opinions. We are the ones that give care, and I will not use my tax dollars to pay for abortions!!!
November 20th, 2009 at 8:53 am
You are all radical Christianist nuts posting here.
We are forced to get Car Insurance you know.
It is an insurance plan — if you dont want to get an abortion - do not get one.
The person who is getting the abortion is also paying into the plan (unless they are very poor and obviously you dont want them to have insurance at all - or any government health care at all - since IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL!) LOL
Stupid.
November 20th, 2009 at 8:55 am
This is not true. The bill requires insurance plans that offer abortion coverage to segregate their funds so that tax dollars AREN’T used to fund abortion coverage. And since the bill says that every state’s health exchange must offer at least one plan that doesn’t cover abortion (except in cases of rape, incest, or a danger to the mother’s life), consumers won’t be forced to fund abortions with their premiums either. The bill sets up requirements by which insurance plans segregate their funds so that federal dollars don’t pay for abortion coverage.
November 20th, 2009 at 8:56 am
We do need some reform in healthcare, but not the kind purposed by congress.Their agenda is about one thing and that is “Power” over every citizen in this great nation of ours.hey could care less about the quality of healthcare.The reason they want coverage for what they call the “less fortunate” is to buy their votes. If the plan is so good then, why did they opt out of it? Will Rogers said, “This country has come to feel the same when Congress is in session as when the baby gets hold of a hammer.”Ronald Reagan said,”I have often wondered at times what the Ten Commandments would have looked like if God had run them through congress.”We need “Patriots” in Washington,in both parties.Men and women who have integrity, conviction and good old common sense;you do not aquire these character traits at Harvard, Yale or any other educational institutions.I want American to remain a “free” nation,the land of the free and the home of the brave!I weep for our country and what has happened in the past year.I marched in DC on Spetember 12, 2009. I did it for all those I love and those that I don’t even know.Congress and the Senate need to be reminded that they are not the “empolyer”.Whether they like it or not they are the employees;their boss is every citizen of this country. In corporate American the employer tells the employee how things are to be run.If an employee abused the employer they would be fired on the spot.No more benefits, not more pay and they would no longer be part of the company retirement plan. Would that we could get rid of our power hungry representatives so quickly!Mark my word, if this healthcare bill passes and this current power hunry arrogant administration continues to use a “hammer” like a baby, the God fearing, freedom loving Americans will do whatever it takes to keep this great nation Free.Sincerely, Southern Lady from Georgia
November 20th, 2009 at 9:02 am
Why is there not a SINGLE politician leading a real FIGHT to help preserve our Freedom? Where are the speeches, rallies and protests? We need more than web sites, emails and tea parties, books, talk radio and pleas for donations. We need to lay out the legal, Constitutional arguments for resisting things like this bill. We need to declare war, to lay out our philosophy, to create a strategy, to organize, to find leaders and to act. If we are defeated in Congress and are defeated in the courts then perhaps a plan for escalating civil disobedience is the next step.
November 20th, 2009 at 9:08 am
Interesting.
The vast majority of comments here are against this plan as it is seen as forcing those commenters who are against federal funding of elective abortions to pay into the same pool which would in turn be used (when necessary) to pay for said elective abortions.
A few things to consider for those of you who make this argument:
1) If you currently have private insurance, you’re already paying into a pool of money which is being used to fund abortion procedures.
2) The nature of democracy is compromise. Abortion may not be an option that you wish to have available to you, but your opinion is no more important than anyone else’s, and some of us are of the opinion that there are cases where abortion is the best option. It is not for you to decide for anyone else whether this option is open or closed to them.
This is little different than the fact that I currently fund capital punishment and the development of weapons systems that I do not agree with by way of paying my my taxes.
If you’re ready to sacrifice practicality for principle to this degree, I suggest that you stop paying taxes.
Of course, when you’re in jail for tax evasion it’s difficult to work at changing people’s minds…which is what I think that you should be focused on in the first place rather than attempting to force a change on their actions.
3) As your stated goal is to reduce or eliminate the occurrence of abortion, it would behoove you to campaign vociferously for the addition of provision to the bill which would guarantee high quality reproductive health care (including birth control) for all women.
Just some thoughts, hope I don’t generate too much hate mail with them. I don’t fancy abortion either, but I have seen situations where it was really the only viable option. Judge not.
November 20th, 2009 at 9:19 am
I am a former paralegal and a second-degree Nursing student. I will not support any legislation that allows taxpayer dollars to be used for abortion, nor will I accept employment in any institution that provides abortion. I intend to use my legal and medical training to fight future attempts to force health care workers into supporting abortion. Do not mess with this angry Marine Mom.
November 20th, 2009 at 9:23 am
If the democrats health care bill is so great, why aren’t they promising to leave the coverage they have and agree to sign up with the government run health care option that they feel is great for all Americans? I wonder!!
Senator Reid, you are a hypocrite. Your religious beliefs support that abortion is a sin, but in the name of political appeasment, you push through a bill that not only supports abortion, but has all members of the government run plan pay for it? You my friend need to visit with your Bishop and get on your knees for a little soul searching. Are you honest in your dealing with your fellow man, Harry Reid? I think not. Read the Constitution, get some integrity, and remember what our founding fathers fought and died for. This is not the America they envisioned!
November 20th, 2009 at 9:23 am
I pay for health care coverage for the poor but will be willing to go to jail if I am forced to pay for abortion with my tax.
November 20th, 2009 at 9:36 am
Please read the Constitution of the United States of America. It does not give the federal government the power that it is taking. The power is with the voice of the people. Please write to your state legislators and voice your opinion that the states need to exert state sovereignty (10th amendment.) The states need to keep the power of the federal government in check. Read the constitution for yourself since our leaders seem to disregard the document, or we will lose the liberties we enjoy in this great nation.
November 20th, 2009 at 9:38 am
I do not support this. I hope our elected representatives understand that. Stop all spending by the federal government. Only that which is set out in the Constitution should be paid for. Stop spending my childrens’ money
November 20th, 2009 at 9:40 am
I am one the many people who are against this REIDPELOSIOBAMA Care bill. Where did the transperancy of allowing everyone read the bill before voting on it go? I am also a very staunch PRO-LIFE person (I am the father of 4) and there is absolutely no way I will allow the funding of abortions. Where is the sanctity of Life? Don’t they believe in human life–especially, when we have the capability of see a living child by the means of ultrasounds (2D, 3D, and 4D with modern technology). This whole bill is against everything that our great nation was founded on. I am sure our Founding Fathers are “rolling over in their graves” over this monstrosity. I feel we need to do everything possible to get this stopped by the Senate voting it down on Saturday night. Work on Senators Landrieu, Lincoln, Nelson (NE) and Snow to ensure this bill cannot go on as it is written. Work on Tort Reform before trying to turn us into another Socialistic country. A democracy is what this country is, not socialistic country.
November 20th, 2009 at 9:47 am
Harry, Nancy, Holder, the whole lot of them should be prosicuted for crimes against the American People. The current flood of poor decisions by our government is indicating that many were fooled by the DNC con men. There has been nothing but a flood of lies from this administration. I as one American see a revolution on the horizon, and this tax on all for abortions will not be paid by me. How can Obama cite any other nation for corruption when his administration is the world leader. I hope we can all stand together and oppose the whole of this health care CRIME, even if it is enacted. They do not have enough jails to hold all of us.
November 20th, 2009 at 10:16 am
um… you realize this is a complete lie, don’t you Mr. Boehner?
PPAC DOES NOT Allow Federal Funds to be Used for Abortion. Tax credits or cost sharing subsidies may not be used for abortions except in cases of rape, incest or if the life of the mother is endangered. Private premiums will be segregated from public funds, and only private premiums could pay for abortion services beyond those permitted by the Hyde, the longstanding federal law governing abortion.
PPAC DOES NOT Require Health Plans to Cover Abortion. No health plan will be required to cover abortions in their benefits package. Just like in today’s private insurance market, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act will not force or prohibit health plans from covering abortion. And no one will be forced to enroll in a plan that covers abortion services - individuals will be able to choose from a variety of plans in the Exchange which will include both pro-choice and pro-life plans. In the current marketplace, there is no guarantee that a pro-life person can buy a policy that doesn’t offer abortion coverage.
PPAC DOES NOT Allow Federal Funds to be used for Abortion in the Public Plan. The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act will NOT allow the Secretary to make the determination to include coverage of abortions unless it can be determined that NO FEDERAL FUNDS would be used for this purpose. The Secretary may only contemplate abortion coverage in the public plan if there is a guarantee that, consistent with the current policy under Hyde, these services may be covered entirely with private funds.
November 20th, 2009 at 10:36 am
REP BOEHNER, PLEASE DO ALL YOU CAN TO DEFEAT THIS. I
ELECT TO HAVE ZERO OF MY TAX DOLLARS SPENT TO KILL
BABIES. I WILL SPEND TIME AND MONEY TO ABORT DEMS FROM THEIR D.C. JOBS, EMPLOYEES OF OURS.
November 20th, 2009 at 10:36 am
Please stand with Sen. Coburn and make the whole bill be read before debate on it! Make sure it is televised so we can all see our senators at their best. I will not stand by and see the government take over our country using the health care system. I can’t in good conscience pay for people to have abortions so this bill is untenable for me. I will work hard against my senators re-election no matter what year, if they vote for this bill. Thank you for standing strong for the Americans.
November 20th, 2009 at 10:38 am
This is disgusting.
November 20th, 2009 at 10:44 am
Mr. Boehner:
Your interpretation of this section of the bill is so blistering wrong and dishonest it makes my eyes bleed.
November 20th, 2009 at 11:05 am
Thank you so much for standing in the gap for the unborn and for our nation.
November 20th, 2009 at 11:06 am
We are all lost. Most of us that actually have jobs have the money stolen from us by the Government before we even see it. They did that on purpose under the guise of “easyness”. See most Americans would spend the money before the end of the year so if we had to pay - the US govt wouldn’t get it’s blood money. OR is it that if you had to write a check for 1/2 your years earnings that soon people would get angry and ask what they are getting in return. Right now - it’s numbers on a W2 and a little grumbling. Everyone that posted here - face it - you will PAY your taxes and you WILL NOT go to jail despite your claims and YOU WILL SACRIFICE your morals to fund the killing of babies. I hate it - but power means money and it’s all in Washington….good luck my friends, it’s going to get way worse before it gets better - rally around Sarah Palin and John Boehner
November 20th, 2009 at 11:15 am
If you have a public forum where people can leave their comments, you should not filter out those messages that contain an opposing view. This is not just a matter of decency and honesty, but also shows what type of politician you are.
November 20th, 2009 at 11:16 am
I am the stay-at-home mother of four beautiful children. Both my husband and I were laid off our jobs. I live and breathe for my family, but I will go to jail before I pay for the murder of innocent children. God is the creator and giver of life. Each child that is concieved is a challenge, to be sure, but also a blessing, a joy, a sense of love more altruistic and deep than any other love we, as sinful, fallen human beings, can feel. This bill is an abomination. But we must not simply draw the line when it comes to tax payer funded abortions. The government is trying to take away our freedom. My family and I did not cross the 90 miles of sea from Cuba to the greatest nation on earth to be subjected to slavery once again. This truly is the last bastion of freedom, and I would willingly, humbly, and passionately give the last drop of blood in my body for this country. Let us hope it does not come to that. America, we must not allow the idea of liberty to be ripped from our bossom. Too many noble, brave, and freedom loving men have died for that ideal. We must not dishonour their sacrifice. We must stand up and demand our officials respect the will of the people. If we fail in this endeavor, we shame ourselves, and we rob our children of the very freedoms they deserve. God grant us wisdom and strength, honour and courage! And may God forever Bless the United States Of America!
November 20th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
“completely unacceptable”
I absolutely refuse to give one single cent of my money to fund abortion. It completely flies in the face of my religious beliefs to do so.
Where did Freedom of choice go? Did Nancy Pelosi do away with it while the American people was asleep. We better wake-up and soon.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
I am praying the American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) and the Liberty Counsel are on standby just in case this rape of the CONSTITUTION is approved. We need to file suit immediately and tie it up in court as long as possible. Article 1 section 8 of the constitution does not authorize the federal government to do any of this. It is illigal. . . against the law. Arrest them all and through them in jail… for ever.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Please always provide the bill number when refrencing any bill up for a vote. There are 4 health care bills and I am having a hard time finding “Reid’s” Bill via searches on the internet. In discussions with friends, they want me to point to the exact place in the bill where something is said. In this blog, we are thankfully provided with the page number; however, not the bill number. There is so much distrust in our country today that any time a discussion is raised, we must be able to go to the original document and point to the words in that document. Thank you.
November 20th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Thank you Senator and please know that the majority of American’s are standing with you and all those who are opposed to the use of taxpayer dollars to pay for abortion. You and all those who stand for life will be remembered in prayer in the days ahead…
November 20th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
I am not in favor of this portion, or any other portion of the Dems health care bill. Please continue to do whatever it takes to thwart the passage of this insane
health care bill. This is leading to the bankruptcy of America.
November 20th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
Mr. Bobby Long (November 19th, 2009 at 12:32 pm) should stop practicing law without a license (or if he has a license he needs a refresher course on the Constitution). The power of Congress to ‘tax and spend’ under Article 1, Section 8.1 for social programs is well established. United States v. Butler, 297 U.S. 1, 56 S.Ct. 312, 80 L.Ed. 477 (1936). Under his view Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Unemployment Compensation, Worker’s Compensation, the Tennessee Valley Authority, etc., etc., are all “usurpations” (yes, that is a word).
He should consider the full consequence of the argument against a broad reading of that power. The section also includes the power to ‘tax and spend’ for the “common defense”. According to the view (the Federalist Papers argument Long mentions in passing, without specifically referencing), the power granted by Article 1, Section 8.1, is limited by the so-called enumerated powers in the rest of the Section. One small problem: nowhere does the Constitution enumerate a power to create and maintain an Air Force! Congress can “raise and support armies” (Article 1, Section 8.12), it can “provide and maintain a navy” (Section 8.13), it can “make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces (Section 8.14), and it has authority over the militia (Sections 8.15 and 8.16). Furthermore, the President is Commander-in-chief of the Army, Navy, and the militia. Oops, I don’t see an Air Force among those “enumerated powers”!
So, where does the Federal Government get the authority for our bombers, fighters, ICBM’s, etc.? Why from the general power to ‘tax and spend’ for the “common defense”. And that’s also where it gets the power to do the same for the “general welfare”. (I’ll just mention that the States could hardly afford to provide the health care coverage Congress is proposing, any more than they could afford to provide for the “common defense”, so his call to “remand” the issue is hollow.)
The Federalist Papers argument Long alludes to arises by taking words out-of-context. (The argument comes from Paper #41, specifically pages 262 -264 of the 1961 edition of the Mentor book version of the Papers, published by the New American Library.) There Madison addresses an objection to the Constitution (raised by its opponents) that this broad grant of power would enable the Congress to legislate on every conceivable subject without limitation by simply declaring it necessary for the “general welfare”. Madison makes clear that Article 1, Section 8 only grants authority to ‘tax and spend’, and not the power to make any laws it sees fit. He expressly observes (by way of example) that “A power to destroy the freedom of the press, the trial by jury . . .” cannot be based on the power “to raise money for the general welfare”.
So, is a bill to provide health care an exercise of the power to ‘tax and spend’ for the “general welfare”? Obviously, yes. Is it an excuse to invade the powers of the States (such as by abolishing freedom of the press, or trial by jury)? Obviously not. Long’s argument is wrong.
Ironically, he is advocating invasion of the powers of the States with his call for eliminating State restrictions on Insurance Companies. A question: would that include Federal regulation of those companies? (You know, under the interstate commerce clause - Article 1, Section 8.3.) Or would he argue that, too, would be a “usurpation”?
As for his “moral beliefs”: what about the beliefs of pacifists? Why should their taxes fund military activities they find offensive? What about atheists? Why should their tax dollars go to “faith-based initiatives”? If we start ‘constitutionalizing’ private moral views the list will become endless. The answer is: majority rule. If a majority of the citizens want to fund abortion, stem-cell research, a public option, a strong military, etc., then the government should comply. And for those who object - that’s what elections are for!
However, I do have a suggestion on this issue. I can understand his reluctance to have his tax dollars used that way. I’ve often wondered why we can’t have a “check-off” box on our tax forms to allow or disallow our money to be used for this purpose. Accordingly, only the pro-choice portion of the public would pay for this. Off course, those of us who believe in church/state separation should also have the right to decree that none of their tax dollars goes to religious organizations!
November 20th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
We must make it very clear to EVERY politician:
Vote for the health care bill and we will vote you out of office.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
In case any of you right wing people had not noticed, abortion has been legal in this country since 1973. You talk about smaller government and that government should not inhibit an individuals rights, then you state that the government should interfere with a woman’s right to choose. Rights and laws are not a smörgåsbord where you can pick and choose the things that appeal to your political slant.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
If abortion is murder, and it is, then so is what is done to cows and pigs and every feeling being that is killed in horrific, agonizing ways for you to eat their bodies, but you conservative hypocrites have no care. Pro-life hypocrites who enjoy animal cruelty, swallow your own tongues. You are not pro-life, and you cannot practice Christian mercy and doing to others as you’d have done to you when you murder feeling individuals or when you support the horrific murders of feeling individuals. You people who have no care about the agony and murder of billions of innocent, feeling individuals are not pro-life, not caring Christians.
November 20th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
I would generally never think of defying my government or refusing to pay my taxes however I will never pay a fee to fund abortions….period. They can throw me in jail too.
November 20th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
Rep. Boehner is being misleading. The “fee” is actually the amount that the Secretary is required to segregate to pay for the coverage, so that no federal funds go to pay for abortions. No one is required to join the public plan and no providers are required to accept it, and definitely not required to provide abortions. There will ALWAYS be a plan option that does not cover abortions available and no subsidies, tax dollars, or other federal money will go to pay for abortions under this bill. I know it’s hard to read the legislative language, but please do so you’ll learn what’s truly there, not what the politicians tell you to manipulate you.
November 20th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
Hey Republicans — ever heard of this? It’s spelled
F-I-L-I-B-U-S-T-E-R and the Democrats used it every time they wanted to stop a piece of legislation. They even gave us “virtual filibusters” and it worked every time to thwart the will of the American people.
If you don’t filibuster then you’re essentially voting for this abominable piece of legislation.
November 20th, 2009 at 8:01 pm
The murder of unborn in this country must stop….God demands that sheding blood of man is against his commandments, how many Einsteins, might we have destroyed, or those who might have found cures for dreadful diseases,God’s Wisdom is far above ours. Women who enter into a sexual act, convieved a child, are responsible for the product of their actions, It’s murder to condem these innocent children to death ,just out of inconvience. My religous belief as a Christian does not allow me to take a life to better my convience.I thank Almighty God that I see the truth and pray that all might understand and STAND UP for the truth
November 20th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
Please, please!!! Congreesman Boehner, the general population has had it! D.C. has become an insane assylum. Get back to the Constitution. Remind your fellows in the house and the senate that they work for us and what we want; not what they want. If we say no, we mean NO. Too bad we have to wait until the November 2010 elections to fire them.
November 20th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
Abortion is murder. . . . the 10 Commandments says, “Thou Shalt Not Kill”. Can’t get any planer than that.
November 20th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
Good luck, brother. Stand firm.
November 21st, 2009 at 12:16 am
I will go to jail before I comply with this murderous use of my tax dollars! I’m sure somewhere in the bill the stupid dems have a clause not to put to death any vile murdering criminal,though. They think of themselves as the intellectual party and they don’t have the common sense or decency that God Almighty gave a goose! No offense to geese.
November 21st, 2009 at 3:05 am
NO OBAMACARE!!!! Whatever happened to “We the people” ?? I say stop this administration and congress from taking our rights away. Stand up for our Constitution!! It is our rights and protection.
November 21st, 2009 at 3:29 am
I am shocked at how quickly some leaders in the government are to destroy our country. I believe that they are not so stupid as they look. I think they want to bring down America. They will pay in the end. America will eventually rise out of this ugly situation.
November 21st, 2009 at 8:11 am
What have they got to hide?
The bait and switch is AND this info came from a staffer in Sen. Gillibrand’s office - I googled what he told me
“The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act” What I had heard about them hiding it in something is true.
HR 3590
To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to modify
the first-time homebuyers credit in the case of members
of the Armed Forces and certain other Federal employees,
and for other purposes.
Referred to the Committee on llllllllll and
These are the pgs. one is pdf
http://dpc.senate.gov/dpcdoc-sen_health_care_bill.cfm
http://dpc.senate.gov/dpcdoc-sen_health_care_bill.cfm
Hiding under a ” we don’t want to look unpatriotic and not help our veterans (and certain others) bill”
They say Republican leaders support this. Is it true?
http://dpc.senate.gov/healthreformbill/healthbill07.pdf
November 21st, 2009 at 9:59 am
Please get more vocal about informing the uninformed public about this abortion provision. Hold a news conference, get on Tv, do whatever you can to get this information out so that everyone understands what these Democrats are trying to put over on the American people.
November 21st, 2009 at 10:53 am
If this health care bill passes our economy as we know it will be destroyed. All senators and representatives DEFEAT AT ANY COST!
November 21st, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Taxation without representation. AGAIN!! It is time, good Americans, to respond. AGAIN!!
Good men, where are you and how will you lead this nation and your families? Will you rise up with the might of Christ guiding you, or will you cower in weakness before the evil of Satan?
It is time.
November 21st, 2009 at 3:53 pm
UNCONSTITUTIONAL…UNCONSTITUTIONAL….UNCONSTITUTIONAL….UNCONSTITUTIONAL
November 22nd, 2009 at 3:25 pm
If the Republicans hadn’t let the Stupak amendment pass then the House wouldn’t have passed the bill. I know you all told Stupak you would, but you got outmanuevered by Pelosi and Reid. You could have stopped the whole thing in the House. When dealing with Democrats sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. So what you promised Stupak something. Did they care it was going to not be in the Senate bill? Now we are going to end up paying for abortions and the abortion rate will go up. Fifty million is not enough babies killed for the dems. Your dealing with evil, you better get tougher. I have voted for Republican’s all my life, but if I end up paying for abortions I’m going third party.
November 23rd, 2009 at 6:30 am
You need to put forth a proposal to spend some of the stimulus money to build many more jails. Looks like a lot of us will be going there when we refuse to pay for Reid’s unconstitutional and intrusive health care plan. The plan is really a big government take-over.
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:25 pm
When will congress realize the problem is not the cost of insurance its the cost of health care. We are dealing with a monopoly that needs to be regulated not given more control. The government is the creator of the conditions that allow the monopoly to exist. Surely they are smart enough to know how to regulate it to the benefit of their constituents and themselves, and not to the lobbyists that keep them in office. Oops I am sorry did I hear the truth.
November 24th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
thanks for the info. I am totally opposed to paying for abortions. I wish the republican party would stand strong and get back to preserving conservatism in our country and not get in bed with these degenerates that are in charge now. I for one will not vote for any republican who votes for this.
November 27th, 2009 at 5:59 am
How can you make such a proposal ? Life and death isn’t worth money… And ruining one’s life not even !
Imagine a gril who’s been raped to get pregnant, does she has any choice but abortion ?
November 27th, 2009 at 10:18 am
Thank you all for stating what should be obvious to all. Abortion itself is immoral and wrong. Forcing citizens to pay for what is obviously an affront to most peoples beliefs is wrong as well. The elected officials of our country are sadly heading down the wrong path by aligning themselves with special interest and other ultra liberal groups and are forgetting the people who power this country. We cannot live in an anything goes society and expect to survive, let alone flourish as a nation. I’m a lifelong Massachusetts native, Navy veteran and Catholic who seems to be ignored consistently even though I vote often. We are often maligned and grouped together in this state with being ultra liberal and radical, and that is simply not the case. Many of us have more in common with conservatives than you may realize and i hope and pray that in this cause we are victorious and start to grown closer as a nation and not further apart as both Political Parties would have us do.
November 27th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
This is blatant murder and I am not ever going to support this bill, ever. I dont know how anyone can support this with a concience. Babies are alive with a beating heart at the time of conception. Look at one someday if you haven’t, you will see that this is so wrong. Someone in a letter before mine states that the govenment sould NOT be involved in health care reform. I agree. I dont want to go before my God in the end that I supported anything to do with killing a human life. Do you?
November 29th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
Senate bill explicitly prohibits federal funding of abortions not covered under Hyde amendment! The Senate version of the health care bill requires the HHS secretary to ensure the public option uses “no Federal funds” in providing abortion coverage beyond Hyde. Section 1303(a)(1)(C) of the Senate bill, titled “Prohibition on federal funds for … See Moreabortion services in community health insurance option” explains that the Health and Human Services secretary must ensure that “no Federal funds are used for such coverage” as outlined in Section 1303(a)(1)(B)(i). That section is defined as “Abortion for which public funding is prohibited.”
The bill also states that if a “qualified health plan” offered under the Exchange provides coverage of abortion services for which public funding is banned, “the issuer of the plan shall not use any amount attributable” to the subsidies created under the bill “for purposes of paying for such services” and must segregate funds for that purpose
November 30th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
This bill must be thrown out. We must not, under any circumstances, pay for abortions. The public needs to be informed!!!
November 30th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
NO TO THE ABORTIOB! Thank you for continuing to fight this bloated bill
November 30th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
Abortion is murdering someone that can not fight back. We need to protect the unborn.
November 30th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
Liar.
November 30th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
STOP! STOP! THIS IS MADNESS! What in heaven’s name is going on in this country? There is no way this ABOMINATION should pass! Look who wrote it! This is not American - it is evil! Please do everything you can to kill it. Real Americans are grateful for your efforts.
Thank you.
November 30th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
Senator, please fight this travesty with all your power. Stop the deception, stop depriving senior citizens of the Medicare Advantage plans.
December 1st, 2009 at 12:03 am
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December 1st, 2009 at 8:19 pm
I also refuse to pay for abortions. Besides being moraly wrong, why would anyone want to pay for someone else’s carelessness. As for being a victim of rape, there are a number of people alive today that are doing great things that were the products of rape. There is always adoption and many families out there that would gladly give this unwanted child a home. What has happened to America, the land of the free. God have mercy on us all.
December 1st, 2009 at 8:21 pm
I also refuse to pay for abortions. Besides being morally wrong, why would anyone want to pay for someone else’s carelessness. As for being a victim of rape, there are a number of people alive today that are doing great things that were the products of rape. There is always adoption and many families out there that would gladly give this unwanted child a home. What has happened to America, the land of the free. God have mercy on us all.
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:35 pm
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December 10th, 2009 at 10:55 am
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December 10th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Not acceptable. I understand the argument for a person choosing this path, but forcing taxpayers to support that decision is absurd.
December 19th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
TO HELL I WILL NEVER PAY FOR ABORTIONS! Throw me in jail then for i will never pay my taxes